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Hare Krishna
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Topic : Sanyasa
*What is real sanyasa* ?
Sanyasa did not mean a change of dress but rather giving everything to
Krishna.
- Srila Prabhupada
Srila Prabhupada Lilamrutha, Vol – 6, Page – 92
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"Srila Prabhupad Ki Jai"
I have two questions
My 1st Question is can you an example for my easy understanding of this
statement in every good there is bad hidden and in every bad good is hidden?
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Appearance of Good can deceive a person
*
As Guru sadhu sastras say in every act then one can imagine the no of
examples that are present, however we will narrate two stories from the
scriptures to make one understand this statement. The end justifies the
means. Only from the result of an act we get to know if we have done a good
act or a bad act and we need to also know that results are not in our hand
but in Krsnas Hands. There is a wise saying if your intentions are good and
your ways are wrong then the result is wrong. However in KC Krsna sees the
sincerity and intention of a person based on that sincerity and intention
he awards result. As the results are in Krsna's hands we get to see many
amazingly favorable results only. Ask an astrologer about a devotees chart
and we will get the proof because his predictions will and has always
failed them. Therefore there is no point for a devotee to go and see an
astrologer. Srila Bhakti Siddhanta Sarasvati Thakura was a devotee
astrologer but even He gave up astrology.
* The first story describes an apparently sinful man who went to heaven,
the second narrates the opposite: a "religious" sage who went to hell. In
both stories, what matters most is not the act itself, but rather the
consequences of the act. Here are the stories:*
*
Krishna said: "There was a an animal hunter named Balaka who killed animals
to maintain his children and wife, not for his own desire. He also
maintained his blind mother and father and other dependents. Ever dedicated
to his duty, he spoke the truth and did not envy.
"One day, though seeking prey with much effort, he did not find any. Then
he saw a wild beast drinking water and using its nose for eyes. Though he
had never seen a creature like that before, he slew it at once. Just after
that a shower of flowers fell from the sky. And from heaven came an
enchanting airplane resounding with the songs of Apsaras and musical
instruments, and desiring to take away [to heaven] that animal hunter.
"The [slain] creature had performed austerities and obtained a boon,
Arjuna, to destroy all creatures and therefore Svayambhu had blinded him.
Having slain him, who was sure to destroy all creatures, Balaka then went
to heaven. Thus dharma is very hard to understand.
"Now there was a brahmana named Kaushika, not very learned in scripture,
who dwelled [in the forest] at the confluence of several rivers, not far
from a village.
"'I must always speak the truth!' This became his vow. O Dhananjaya, he
then grew famous as a speaker of truth. Then some people entered that
forest out of fear of robbers. Indeed the cruel robbers followed, searching
hard for them. Knowing Kaushika to speak the truth, the robbers approached
him and said, 'By which path, sir, did all those people go? We ask in
truth. Speak out if you know where they are. Tell us!'
'Thus questioned, Kaushika told them the truth: 'They are hiding in that
grove full of trees, creepers and bushes.' Then the robbers found them and
cruelly killed them. Thus it is heard from authorities.
"Because of that great adharma of injurious speech, Kaushika went to a very
painful hell, for he did not grasp the subtle principles of morality. His
studies were insufficient, he was foolish, and he didn't know the divisons
of dharma." [MB 8.49.34-46, Ganguli 8.9.70]
*
On the Level of spiritual dealing Jana Kalya, Loka Kalyan (KC) is the
highest Good or suddha sattva act
Giving Krsna to all in the form of Holy Name.
Dharma also means doing only good or behaving in a moral way. Dharma is
very based on a pirticular situation we can see the flexibility of goodness.
*
Thus although Balaka was a hunter, his intention was to maintain his
family. He was not ultimately a bad person, but he found himself in an
undesirable situation. Similarly, Narada told Mrgari, "Because you are a
hunter, for you killing animals is a slight offense." Balaka's acts were
abominable, but his intention was not.
In contrast, Kaushika's act was superficially moral: he told the truth. Yet
in doing so, he harmed other people. He placed a "morality" above the
actual good of others, not realizing that morality is only such when it
benefits others. We have already seen in the case of Mrgari and Balaka that
morality is relative to a person's situation. In the case of Kaushika, Lord
Krishna establishes another mitigating principle: morality is relative to
circumstances. Thus Lord Krishna states:
"Whenever people seek to unjustly rob someone, if that person can get free
by not uttering a sound, then no sound should be uttered. Or, one should
necessarily utter a sound if the robbers will be suspicious of silence. In
that situation, it is considered better to speak a lie than to speak the
truth." [MB 8.49.51-52]
My Second question is how do I identify good in every act?
We will try to reply this with another incident which would be an ideal
incident as uttarayan is starting from tomorrow and Bhishma Pitama waited
for Uttarayan to leave this planet. This pastime is a homage to Bhishma
Pitama.
Happy Sankranti to all!!!!!
In the name of doing good how the appearance of Good can deceive a person
is what we have seen.
In Bhishma's teachings spoken from a bed of arrows (Mahabharata,
Shanti-parva), we find that Krishna's powerful moral lesson - that
consequences do in fact matter, at times more than the act itself. The
dying Bhishma speaks about satyam, truth, in a far more complex, nuanced
way than he did in his youth. He is now extremely concerned with
consequences, more than with the act itself. And he understands that in
moral matters, appearances can be deceiving, a lesson he has gleaned from
Krishna's two stories of the hunter Balaka and the brahmana Kausika. We
shall even see Bhishma, at the end of his life, repeat and paraphrase
Krishna's explicit language on this topic.
As Bhishma lay on the bed of arrows, Yudhisthira inquired about morality
(dharma). Significantly, the truth of morality was not obvious even to the
king of morality, Yudhisthira. Here is their conversation:
Yudhisthira said, "How should a person, who wants to stand on moral
principles, behave? I seek to understand this, O wise one, so kindly
explain, O best of Bharatas.
"Both truth and falsity exist, covering the worlds. Of the two, O king,
which should a person dedicated to morality practice? What is actually
truth, what is falsity and what is really the eternal moral principle?"
Bhishma said, "Speaking truth is righteous. Nothing is higher than truth. O
Bharata, I shall speak to you that which is very hard to understand on
Bhuloka. Truth is not to be spoken and falsity is to be spoken in a case
where falsity becomes truth and truth becomes falsity. An immature person
is bewildered in such a case where truth is not firmly established.
Determining truth and falsity, one then knows morality.
"Even a non-Aryan, lacking wisdom, indeed a very violent man, can achieve
very great piety as Balaka did by killing the blind beast. And what is
astonishing when a fool, desiring morality but not recognizing it, achieves
a very great sin, like Kausika on the Ganges?
"Such a question as this regarding where morality is to be found, is very
difficult to answer. It is difficult to calculate, so in this matter, one
must resolve the issue by reasoning. Morality is that which prevents injury
to living beings. That is the conclusion.
"Morality (dharma) comes from the act of sustaining (dharana). Thus
authorities say that morality sustains living beings. So that which
provides such sustenance is dharma. That is the conclusion.
"Certainly some people say, 'Morality is scripture,' while other people
deny this. I do not deny it, but in fact scriptures do not give rules for
every case. Whenever people seek unjustly to rob one's property, it should
not be divulged to them. That is actually dharma. If a person can get free
by not uttering a sound, then no sound should be uttered. Or, one should
necessarily utter a sound if the robbers will be suspicious of silence. In
that situation, it is considered better to speak a lie than to speak the
truth. One who does so is freed from the sins of taking a false oath."
Here Bhishma repeats basic points of Vedic moral philosophy taught by
Krishna Himself:
1. To understand what moral behavior is, we cannot, in every case,
simply cite the moral rules of scripture.
2. One must also reason out morality.
3. In so reasoning, one must keep in mind that the whole purpose of
moral principles is to benefit people
(Jan kalian/ Loka kalya we also need to know the true meaning that is the
essence of it and process of it).
4. At times, good people, externally, perform bad deeds.
5. At times, bad people, externally, perform good deeds.
6. In such cases one must look beyond appearances to see what actually
produces good consequences.
Bottom Line:
Appearance of Good can deceive a person
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*False Prestige*
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False prestige or ahankar is one of the stumbling blocks on the path of
self-realization. Due to false ego, we don't listen to the advice. Due to
false ego, we don't accept the instructions of the Spiritual Master and
even the scriptures. *
**Srimad Bhagavatam 6.1.56-57 *
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The holy name is the most valuable asset that you can possess!*
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