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- Mr.Shashi Tharoor slams Anna [1 Update]
http://groups.google.com/group/unitedhindufront/t/6314f8700af3344c
- Referred from Epaper.timesofindia.com:Arvind Kejriwal (Contd.) [1 Update]
http://groups.google.com/group/unitedhindufront/t/43ed8c623c8282e0
- Jagti blues...Panun Kashmir Chairman Dr. Ajay Chrungoo and a large
team visits Jagti. [1 Update]
http://groups.google.com/group/unitedhindufront/t/a222d7c906d82daa
- The Autumn of Hypocrisy - Harud Literary Festival - by Rahul
Pandita [1 Update]
http://groups.google.com/group/unitedhindufront/t/a7e3f371aa98cf8a
- Overwhelming public support for Anna Hazare [1 Update]
http://groups.google.com/group/unitedhindufront/t/659b0987854b6d75
- Vedas – foundation of birth-based caste discrimination [1 Update]
http://groups.google.com/group/unitedhindufront/t/894c774f68a9ddc4
- Inspiration: Know the True Meaning Of Ganesh & Be Richer [1 Update]
http://groups.google.com/group/unitedhindufront/t/ec74c0a2d9631211
- Geopolitical notes from India-M D Nalapat-2 September 2011 [1 Update]
http://groups.google.com/group/unitedhindufront/t/624d431587a8706e
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Topic: Mr.Shashi Tharoor slams Anna
Url: http://groups.google.com/group/unitedhindufront/t/6314f8700af3344c
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From: Dilip Bam <dilipbam@gmail.com>
Date: Sep 03 07:02PM +0530
Url: http://groups.google.com/group/unitedhindufront/msg/920091a54b4e3f6a
Mr. Shashi Tharoor gives hazar Thokurs to Hazare!
Speaking at a gathering at Jawaharlal Nehru University (JNU) in Delhi on
Wednesday 31 August 2011 (three days ago), the former union minister, who
invented "Cattle Class" in Air India and had to quit his post because of it,
said:
"Who can claim to represent the people of India? People who have faced & won
elections? Or someone who never stood for elections, but has a lot of
television cameras around him and a few thousand people in a maidan."
For the inventor of "Cattle Class" I can surely say that the most popular
personality ever in India is Sri Krishna, more than earlier (Sri Ram) and /
or later (Buddha) of our ancestors.
Sri Krishna never stood for elections but had a lot of pretty maidens (whose
eyes were TV cameras) around him and a few thousand cattle in a maidan.
Can I ask "Mr. Inventor of Cattle Class" that in a democracy (of humans)
isn't it more important to have a few thousand humans than a few thousand
cattle like Sri Krishna? If Sri Krishna is "Cattle Class" then haZare is
"Human Class". In a human democracy humans are superior to cattle.
And what is wrong with TV cameras? You live in Delhi and can yourself go to
Ramlila Maidan, but everybody from Kashmir to Kanyakumari, and from Kutch to
Kivithoo (in Arunachal in case you didn't know), is interested in what is
happening in Delhi. Sitting more than a thousand miles away how can I see it
without the TV cameras? This needs TV cameras & publicity so that I can also
see it. Call it media hype if you want?
Did Gandhi baba ever stood for elections? Then how did he become father of
nation?
True Gandhi baba was a great man, maybe the greatest Indian of the
20thcentury. But how did he become father of nation?
What made him father of nation?
Media hype!
Who did the media hype? Govt. of Congress party! They put Gandhi baba on a
pedestal and push it as high as possible. Start calling him Mahatma & father
of nation and hype it.So that along with Gandhi baba, Congress Party also
gets elevated because Gandhi baba is of Congress Party.
Josef Goebbels, Hitler's Propaganda Minister said: "A lie repeated a hundred
times becomes the truth!" He also said: "The bigger the lie, the quicker it
is believed".
Now it is a truism that son cannot exist before father. Therefore as per
this truism, India as a nation could not have existed before its Father of
nation, Gandhi baba.
If so, what was Emperor Ashoka doing two thousand years ago? Or his
grandfather Chandragupta Maurya when Alexander came in 326 BC? We have
adopted Ashok Stambh as our national symbol. Ashoka ruled an empire much
bigger than India's current boundary. And what happened at independence?
Our worthy leaders at the time of independence (ancestors of Congress party)
could not even hold on to what we inherited from Emperor Ashoka – Ancestor
of this nation.
Gandhi baba came into prominence by starting a newspaper. So did Lokmanya
Tilak. Newspaper is media hype. Today's media hype technology is TV Cameras
and live broadcasts.
So Anna is doing exactly what Gandhi baba did.
"Gandhi baba kare toh satyagraha hai,
Anna kare toh sala, character dheela hai !"
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Topic: Referred from Epaper.timesofindia.com:Arvind Kejriwal (Contd.)
Url: http://groups.google.com/group/unitedhindufront/t/43ed8c623c8282e0
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From: "Sandhya Jain " <sandhya206@bol.net.in>
Date: Sep 03 06:29PM +0530
Url: http://groups.google.com/group/unitedhindufront/msg/dbda1ff3c6432ec3
Hi!
Please click on the following link to read the item:
http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Repository/ml.asp?Ref=Q0FQLzIwMTEvMDkvMDIjQXIwMDEwMQ==&Mode=Gif&Locale=english-skin-custom
Comment:
This is my feedback on this frontpage news:-
I am afraid, the anti-corruption heavyweight has taken and still is
taking too much liberties, ignoring the CCS Conduct Rules and the
fundamental requirements of probity in the civil/govt. services while
getting media coverage and huge mileage for his so called social
service. It must be borne in mind that, the bond referred to
stipulates that, after the completion of the Study Rules, the official
must serve for three years "hands on" and this great Civil Society
leader's interpretation that (1) he joined for a day and proceeded on
leave and that(2) the govt. can always waive the dues (obviously
implying that he deserves to be treated as more equal than the others)
will not hold good in the eyes of law. He does not satate if he has
any nproof of the acceptance of his leave application (after reporting
casually for a day) or his alleged resignation. Moreover, it is
wellknown that he had floated an NGO while in service (for which
permission is a must) and also that this NGO reportedly receieved huge
contributions and further that he travelled abroad inter alia to
receive a foreign award. The non-civil society citizens are interested
to know if the Department of IT has initiated any action against him
for his continued absence from office or is contemplating it in the
interest of maintaining parity with the other govt. servants who
abandon their office and abscond in a similar way. It is also
pertinent to inquire if, during all this high velocity media coverage
and VIP tratment given to him in connection with the Lokpal/Jan Lokpal
debate, the Finance Ministry ever considered it proper and imperative
to enqure about the atatus of his leave application, resignation,
permission (if sought for) for making foreign trips, intimation given
(if ever) regarding the formation of and receiptof donations, etc. in
the name of his NGO which reportedly has a sprawling and modern office
for years. How can an officer breaking all rules be treated as a VIP
by a sleeping and inert govt.? Is it not corruption?
For AOL users: <a
href="http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Repository/ml.asp?Ref=Q0FQLzIwMTEvMDkvMDIjQXIwMDEwMQ==&Mode=Gif&Locale=english-skin-custom">http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Repository/ml.asp?Ref=Q0FQLzIwMTEvMDkvMDIjQXIwMDEwMQ==&Mode=Gif&Locale=english-skin-custom</a>
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Topic: Jagti blues...Panun Kashmir Chairman Dr. Ajay Chrungoo and a
large team visits Jagti.
Url: http://groups.google.com/group/unitedhindufront/t/a222d7c906d82daa
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From: Pran Raina <pranraina@gmail.com>
Date: Sep 02 04:22PM +0530
Url: http://groups.google.com/group/unitedhindufront/msg/366142580f6efcbf
EARLY TIMES REPORT
JAMMU, Aug 29: A delegation of Panun Kashmir today visited the newly
constructed Jagti Camp at Nagrota twice recently to take stock of the
facilities at the new camp and also to assess the quality of construction of
new accommodations for more than 4000 families shifted from various camps
located around Jammu.
For the whole fact finding delegation the experience has been appalling.
Just entering the Camp exposes one to stench and foul smell from the
manholes constructed for sanitary waste. Even while sitting in the parks
inside the camp site one is exposed to the stench, not to speak of families
living in the quarters closer to the man holes and soakage pits. At many
places in the residential quarters there are sanitary leakages at sanitary
pipe joints.
Water Seepages can be seen openly along the walls and roofs of the quarters
at many places. Water seepage into electric fittings has on many occasions
caused electric short circuits. The plasters of the walls in the quarters at
many places are peeling off on slight rubbing showing the poor quality of
construction material used. The pillars along the balconies at many places
have shown cracks and even collapsed at a few places.
Matador service to the Camp is still inadequate. As per residents of the
Camp the government has issued 50 permits for the matadors and amongst them
only 10 are functional. Normal fares from Jammu to Sainik School Nagrota is
Rs 8, while the fare from Indira Chowk to Jagti Camp is Rs 10 even as the
distance is almost one kilometer less
Schools have insufficient furniture. Fans were installed after repeated
complaints by the residents of Jagati. There is no watchman in the camp
schools after the school hours and hence no protection for computers,
laboratory equipment and the books in the library. Bathrooms in the schools
are yet to be completed for use.
Panun Kashmir has asked a team of experts to assess the quality of
construction work in the Jagati camp after comparing it with the proposal
which the government had circulated before starting the work at Jagati.
Panun Kashmir urges the government to immediately intervene to look into the
safety of the newly constructed quarters at the Jagati Camp, assess the
nature of cracks and seepages that have appeared in the pillars, walls,
roofs and other places of these quarters, and take the corrective measures.
It also urges the government to look into the sanitary condition in the
entire camp which if left unattended can lead to a health disaster.
--
Bhagwati Thavinov varae vati
Multiply in numbers.Shun family planning
Pran Ji
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Topic: The Autumn of Hypocrisy - Harud Literary Festival - by Rahul Pandita
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From: ashish zutshi <ashishzutshi@hotmail.com>
Date: Sep 02 05:40AM
Url: http://groups.google.com/group/unitedhindufront/msg/c978c1b5044233d9
The same boy aditya represents kp community views on TV debates, thats
the tragedy . He has one point of view at jantar mantar, another view
on television, different view on KP networks.Hope he returns to
jantar mantar soon.
To: kpindia@yahoogroups.com; kauladityaraj@gmail.com
CC: kashmir-interchange@googlegroups.com;
unitedhindufront@googlegroups.com; kpnetwork@yahoogroups.com;
kprising@yahoogroups.com
From: rashneek@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 09:03:03 +0530
Subject: Re: <KPIndia> The Autumn of Hypocrisy - Harud Literary
Festival - by Rahul Pandita
Rahul Pandita thinks too much of himself it seems.There is no
reason for us to hate him.At best we can pity him for invoking self
pity(sometimes self hatred too-either by abusing Manu or Tulsidas) in
his articles every now and then.
RIK does not even think of him ,Aditya notwithstanding,to hate him
would be elevating him and thats a position he simply doesnt deserve.
Rashneek Kher
Founder Member-Roots in Kashmir
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 11:02 AM, ashish zutshi <ashishzutshi@hotmail.com> wrote:
bull shit
To: kashmir-interchange@googlegroups.com; kpindia@yahoogroups.com;
Unitedhindufront@googlegroups.com
From: kauladityaraj@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 03:00:48 +0530
Subject: <KPIndia> The Autumn of Hypocrisy - Harud Literary Festival -
by Rahul Pandita
The Autumn of Hypocrisy
Those opposed to Srinagar's Harud litfest have only strengthened
radical voices in Kashmir. In the name of a 'cause', they have
silenced those whose stories must be told.
Link - http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/arts-letters/the-autumn-of-hypocrisy#.Tl5btLKW6QQ
Rahul Pandita - Open Magazine
Tonight, they will raise a toast. Tonight, they will pat one another's
backs, and, in the confines of their apartments in New Delhi and
elsewhere, may even take out victory marches. Someone might even hurl
an imaginary stone, declaring that finally, the Internet Intifada has
been successful. Congratulatory messages will flood Facebook and
Twitter. After all, a sinister design has been defeated. The Harud
(Autumn) Literary Festival, scheduled to be held in Kashmir Valley in
the last week of September, has been cancelled. It was a State
conspiracy, as they would like everyone to believe.
The truth is that the festival has been sabotaged. A letter circulated
on the internet condemned the literary festival, claiming that it
would portray a false sense of normalcy in the state. The group
circulating the letter also had issues with the organisers' terming
the fest an 'apolitical' event.
As a writer who is from Kashmir, and who was invited to be part of
this festival, I didn't care how this festival was being described. I
was going to be there to talk about everything I felt strongly about:
the killings of the past few summers, the unmarked mass graves, the
unfortunate spectacle of an old man being made to frog-jump in front
of his son by a CRPF trooper, the untruth about the exodus of Kashmiri
Pandits, the hypocrisy of the mainstream media when it came to
reporting on Kashmir. I also felt the festival would enable young
Kashmiris to interact with prominent writers and artists, and also
serve as a platform for them to learn about literature and the process
of writing. But saying even this much is apparently taboo. How dare
someone teach anything to Kashmiris? After all, young Kashmiris now
read Edward Said and Dostoevsky.
As a journalist, every visit to an army officer's house, draped as it
was like a mini Kashmir Arts Emporium, would leave me seething with
anger. Here I was, a Kashmiri in exile, who hadn't even been able to
salvage his ancestral shawls and carpets when forced to leave home one
cold January night in 1990. And, no, it was not because of Governor
Jagmohan.
I feel the same anger now at those who have turned Kashmir into their
personal fiefdom, into a monopoly nobody else can touch. All those who
opposed the fest—and this includes some of my friends—will get other
platforms to present their work. But for many Kashmiris, that
opportunity is lost. As a writer friend who was to attend the festival
said: "The call for boycott means that those who can express their
opinions without being under threat are the only ones who will get a
chance to speak. The rest, especially those in Kashmir who have never
been part of the conversation before, will find themselves forced to
take sides even before the literary festival has begun, silenced in
the name of 'the cause'."
The process of boycotting this festival has also exposed some severe
fault lines in the Kashmir narrative. Somewhere, a careless journalist
reported that Salman Rushdie had been invited to attend the festival.
This prompted someone to create a 'Boycott Harud festival' page on
Facebook. Some of the comments here are chilling and one major factor
why the organisers decided to call off the festival. One of the
members of the organising team, Minhal Hasan, wrote a post on the page
denying that Rushdie had ever been invited. She added: 'We seek
support for the spirit of the festival which is plural, inclusive and
aims to be a platform for free speech and expression.' One Adil Lateef
responded to her post, writing: 'Just come here, we will behead you.'
Another wrote: 'Whoever defends a blasphemer is a blasphemer and
should be stoned to death.'
When two of my writer friends took a stand against the festival, I was
flooded with calls from journalists of both the national and foreign
press for a counter quote. In one of my earlier statements to a news
agency, I mentioned how this summer had been peaceful in Kashmir and
how I hoped that the fest would bring further intimations of peace. In
an hour, the agency reporter called me back. He wanted me to elaborate
on 'peace'. That is when it struck me: I had stepped on a land mine. I
immediately made my stance clear. I said: "The festival will not make
CRPF soldiers disappear from the streets. The fundamental issues about
Kashmir will remain the same. But the festival should be held since I
personally know so many Kashmiris who are keen to tell their stories.
We need to hear them out."
We need to hear the young MBA graduate who connected with me on
Facebook, and then again, by sheer coincidence, in a protest outside
Kashmir University last summer. We need to hear journalist Suhail
Bukhari, who was forced to take refuge in Delhi after he was booked
for waging 'war against the nation' because he had simply chosen to
report the truth. We need to hear political activist Anjum Zamrud
Habib, who was wrongly declared a convict and sent to prison. Anjum
was supposed to attend the festival, but backed out once the
battlelines were drawn, forcing everyone to take stands.
Some of those opposed to the festival had also called some invitees in
order to dissuade them from attending it. They issued veiled threats
as well. "We will be launching smear campaigns against those who
decide to attend this festival," one of the invitees was told. For me
as well, I am told, they had devised a strategy. They had plans of
dubbing me a 'right-wing fascist' who is also a member of the Kashmiri
Pandit group Roots in Kashmir (RIK). I laughed when I heard this. The
fact is that because of my position on Kashmir, I am hated by every
RIK member, except one, a young man called Aditya Raj Kaul who remains
a friend despite our ideological differences. I am sure even my friend
Yasin Malik, against whom the RIK had initiated many campaigns, will
be amused. Will the general-secretary of the party for whom one of
those opposed to the festival used to make revolutionary posters in
his student days call me right-wing? Well, best of luck, mates.
This reminds me of a musical a group of students had wanted to
organise at Kashmir University some time ago and were forced to call
off. The future of Kashmir will also depend on who emerges a winner in
such battles: those who opposed this musical or who were for it.
Unfortunately, those who opposed Harud have ended up strengthening
radical voices in Kashmir.
To my Kashmiri friends I say this: we need to fight our own battles.
The Twitter messiahs will come and go. They have no stake in our
story. For them, we are just case studies. For another article. Or a
film. Or white paper. It is time we owned our stories. The story of
Fancy Jan, who received a bullet in her heart. The groom whose
henna-dyed little finger went lifeless. The old poet in whose forehead
they drilled a nail in place of his tilak. Or the young Kashmiri who
travelled from Delhi to Jammu in June 1997, and, at the Punjab-Jammu
border, saw a photo of his brother's bullet-ridden body splashed on
the front page of Daily Excelsior.
I will tell that last story. Harud or no Harud.
+++
Rahul Pandita is a Kashmiri writer. A staffer with Open, he was a
member of the advisory committee for the Harud literary festival
--
Aditya Raj Kaul
India Editor
The Indian, Australia
Blog: http://activistsdiary.blogspot.com/
--
Rashneek Kher
http://www.kashmiris-in-exile.blogspot.com
http://www.nietzschereborn.blogspot.com
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Topic: Overwhelming public support for Anna Hazare
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From: C L Razdan <razdancl@gmail.com>
Date: Sep 02 07:46AM +0530
Url: http://groups.google.com/group/unitedhindufront/msg/76e130ca156fc1c5
Dear all
Namaskar
Some time back I had suggested that we involve ourselves in assesing if we
can play any role as Pundits in prevailing political unrest in the country
and come out with a solution.
Form the replies it appears that I have not been able to convey my
suggestion well. I have redrafted my suggestion once again and present here
below for your comments. Hope you all will participate in the debate
To great relief to the country, ultimately the fast of Annaji has come to
end. It has shaken to basic root of the prevailing system of democracy in
the country. While the politician took it as an intrusion in their
prerogative, but the message from the protester was clear and loud that they
have lost their faith in their leaders and the present system of democracy
prevailing in the government. Massive response to Annaji's call for
Janlokpal bill was a clear indication of strong expression of frustration
of a common man towards the rampant corruption prevailing in every field of
government administration.
Not many people are aware of what Jan Lokpal bill or for that matter the
lokpal bill drafted by the government is. Through this protest they have
just expressed their keenness to have some sort of change in the present
system that will set them free from this deep rooted corruption in the
country.
While Annaji and his associates are confident that with the Janlokpal bill
in place in the existing system of governance in the country the corruption
will be eliminated, but not many intellectuals believe in it. It is because
of this reason not many of them supported it. They understand that the
corruption comes with the power and it is because of this very power with
our politicians, they are able to do whatever they want. By bringing Jan
lokpal the corruption will still remain in the country, but its only its
center will shift.
They also recognize that in spite of the massive corruption in the country
India is progressing leap and bound and becoming stronger day by day. Wisdom
lies that the set up prevailing in the government is not disturbed.
They also understand that no one can give his best with the threat of
hanging sword of in the form of Lokpal on his head. This is more so because
janlokpal will have no responsibility towards governing the country but will
have the power to question the executors for their decisions. This is
exactly the reason for our economical growth slackening of late. Decision
making has almost come to stand still. This has resulted in rate of foreign
investment in our country going down drastically. Logically speaking this
time, because of the weak economical condition prevailing in the world, the
foreign direct investment should have flooded our country. But because of no
decision taking in the government foreigners are thinking twice before
investing in India.
These observations lead us to conclusion that we have an excellent system in
place, but it needs improvement in terms of power distribution. At present
the whole power is concentrated mainly in the hand of politicians and the
bureaucrats and need of the hour is to study, how to decentralize it and
also study what forces them to indulge in corruption.
No country can run without having a proper laws and law enforcing agencies.
We too have such laws and the agencies. But the law enforcing agencies are
controlled by the bureaucrats and the politicians. It is such set up that
has made the two groups so powerful that no one can take them to law. If we
just set these agencies free from the clutches of the two, the concentration
of power with politicians and bureaucrats will dilute.
Our multiparty politics also play an important role in infusing corruption
in the system. These days to contest an election one needs huge money which
is funded by political parties. In order to generate this fund political
parties seek donation for public. Once such donation received, they come
under the obligation of donors and are forced to favor him once in power.
They also use official machinery for the purpose. It need not be said that
such acts will force even an honest person to indulge in corruption.
Some time back our Prime Minister Shri Manmohan ji has correctly attributed
it to the compulsion of coalition in government. Though he is the only Prime
minster who has put it in words but it is well known fact. In order to run
the government many a time people are forced to turn their heads and
accommodate corruption done by coalition partners.
Such acts empower smaller political parties and also encourage more such
parties appear on the scene. In the process the governance is becoming
difficult.
Even within the political parties we have power centers. To accommodate such
powers, one at the helm has to look the other way when it comes to taking
action against a person if he is found guilty. Otherwise the image of the
party is at stake. In the process each leader is busy in shielding other
party men even if they are caught in corruption. One can hear such
allegations often on TVs whenever two opposition parties indulge in any
debate. Most of these debates end up one accusing other of corruption.
In order to get majority, our political parties look at the winning ability
of the candidate, rather than his honesty and capability. With the result
real good candidate lose their chance of entering politics and at time even
criminals get preferences over such people.
These and similar observations lead us to conclusion that our multiparty
political system in the country is in a big way responsible for
corruption. If we can offer a system where no political party is allowed to
contest the election and instead only individuals are allowed, the major
cause of the corruption can be eliminated.
*It is here that we are to think if such system is possible and how can it
be introduced. It is a new concept and needs lot of deliberation*.
Till such system if devised and implemented, wisdom lies that we look for a
system that is in between the present system and the proposed one. Two party
system is one such system that is prevalent in many countries successfully
and they are not as corrupt as ours. This system can be tried in our
country. With such system in place both the parties will work as lokpal for
each other. The party who will meet the aspiration of masses will rule the
country. No caste, religion, regional considerations etc will dominate the
governance of the country.
In addition to it if the government funds the elections and in return
confiscate all the political parties' funds, the need of huge funds required
to contest the election will go down in a big way. This could eliminate the
compulsion for political parties to indulge in corruption to raise fund for
contesting any election. Nobody will be required to use his money power or
mussel power to win an election. Many experienced educated people will enter
the politics. People like Mr Sheshan and Arun Bhatia will not be required to
contest for a party ticket against many criminals who are preferred over
such people by many parties.
In our country we consider giving as well as taking of bribe as crime. It is
well known that most of the time one is forced to give bribe. Not many do it
out of their pleasure. But, because of such law, giver can't even lodge
complain to the authorities and at the same time the taker is encouraged to
indulge more and more in corruption. It appears as if the law makers have
deliberately put such clause to protect these corrupt officials. If
corruption on such account is to be removed, it does not need great wisdom
to understand that a person, who is willing to lodge a complaint, need not
be taken as criminal.
Situation in the country at present in somewhat similar to the one
prevailing when monarchy used to rule and a common man was fed up with them.
The way the concept of democracy and communism was thought of that time, we
will have to devise some similar system now that will improve the present
system. Politics without party as suggested above can be the one. *Can we
all as Pundits discuss pros and cons of the same and see how to introduce
it.
*
*
*
We have to understand that where ever human is, such problems will always
remain. It was prevalent even at the time of Ram Rajya as well. One will
have to keep improving the prevailing system periodically and consistently.
Kind regards
Razdan
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Topic: Vedas – foundation of birth-based caste discrimination
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From: Agniveer <agniveer@gmail.com>
Date: Sep 01 01:58PM +0530
Url: http://groups.google.com/group/unitedhindufront/msg/1cb1216ba58ac1b8
Adapted from http://agniveer.com/5276/vedas-caste-disrcimination/
*Vedas are the foundation of birth-based caste discrimination. It is in
Vedas – the oldest scriptures of Hindus – that the seeds of casteism were
laid. And since then exploitation of certain sections of population became
mainstay of Hinduism. The conditions aggravated further later, but the
foundation was in Vedas – the ultimate authority for all Hindus. And because
Vedas are ultimate unquestionable authority for a Hindu, there was no way
for the rot of caste-system to be eliminated from the society.*
The above stated belief system seems to be the predominant opinion regarding
origin of caste system infecting a wide diaspora of so-called *
'intellectual'* mindsets.
*Win-win for all*
- Intellectuals from other religions use this as main excuse to hate
Hinduism. So those involved in conversion from Hinduism and justifying the
conversions done by them or their ancestors would find a convenient
justification in blaming it on 'Vedic' birth-based caste system. Its a
winning proposition for them thus.
- Casteist self-proclaimed Brahmins and so-called Upper-castes use Vedas
as the tool to defend their 'divine' special rights regardless of their
actual deeds. For them, of course, nothing could be more lucrative than an
order from Vedas to continue giving an MBBS degree to all future generations
of a doctor regardless of whether they actually could even spell 'medicine'!
- Dalit leaders including Ambedkar have used this to explain
discrimination in society and further their own political agenda. Who would
like to destroy the entire vote-bank by destroying the very foundation of
caste-system in totality? So even though Ambedkar admitted that the only
means for him to interpret Vedas were works of western indologists since his
own knowledge was grossly inadequate, he chose to still ridicule the Vedas
even though in other areas like Aryan Invasion Theory he vehemently
criticized the western view!
- Even someone like Mohandas Gandhi – on whose name the recent 'Gandhian'
movement against corruption led by Anna Hazare made history -was bugged by
this syndrome. Despite his other apparently mature views, with regards to
birth-based caste-system, Mohandas Gandhi held firm belief that it was
divine and essence of Hinduism. So instead to refusing to accept the very
foundation of casteism, he chose to legitimize it further by giving a
special name to certain people – Harijan. What could be a greater insult to
them than giving them a tag in same manner as Arab looters would put chains
over their slaves aka Non Arab Muslims and call them 'Mawali'? And now they
say that 'Mawali' actually has a noble meaning! But blood-caste theory was
so deeply entrenched that calling dark people of Africa as 'raw naked
Kafirs' or 'chandals' or calling for 'purity of race' amounted to service of
humanity! (refer http://www.trinicenter.com/WorldNews/ghandi4.htmfor some
references)
*In fact the reason why 'Harijan' seemed to be the right word for so-called
Shudras is that as per foolish neo-Hindu castiest views, Hari Bhakti was the
ONLY spiritual option for Shudras as they were disallowed access to any
Vedic literature! So by calling them 'Harijans' one can serve votebank of
bigoted 'upper castes', neutral intellectuals and even 'lower-castes'. And
indeed the trick worked if we were to assess the popularity of this word
with a demeaning intent.*
We do not deny Mohandas' contribution to society and nation. We admire his
charisma. But for sure there are thousands of more unbiased non-dogmatic
minds born in this nation who have contributed as much if not more. So
despite all that Mohandas Gandhi is claimed to have done for the nation, we
can no way admire someone who supported apartheid – the worst of the crimes
– so vocally. Our firm belief is that the over-hype and imposition of Gandhi
on India at cost of utter negligence of so many other role models that this
oldest civilization of world has produced is driven by reasons that are
different from an unbiased analysis of personalities and their concrete
contributions. We need not elaborate on views of his protege Nehru whose
'Discovery of India' clearly proves his intent and wisdom. But all that is
not the focus of this article. *The crux is that even so-called reformer
politicians could not rise over the myth of Vedic caste system for various
selfish and non-intellectual reasons.*
*(None other Swami Dayanand had the guts to proclaim in clear terms, with
evidences and reason, that no one is born Brahmin. A duffer born to a
so-called Brahmin is worse than a Shudra, and a scholar born in family of
even a so-called Chandal is a Brahmin. So those who call certain people
'Shudra' on basis of birth are actually duffers and worse than Shudras
themselves.)*
*We are fully with Annaji on the tirade against corruption but pray that he
is using Gandhism as a political ploy but unequivocally rejects the casteist
and racist views of Mohandas. *
- Western indologists, of course, found a golden opportunity in the
so-called Vedic caste-system to dissuade Hindus from their foundations. They
knew that most Indian intellectuals simply parrot what their white-*
Aakaas* (Lords) utter and that is exactly what is happening even till
today. They had to do nothing great when foolish Hindus were still clinging
to termite-hill of casteism as their foundation despite all the slavery and
downfall it had brought to them over last thousand years and even more. All
British had to do was to propagate the garbage works on Vedas by their paid
indologists in lingua-franca – English – and make it the predominant view on
Vedas worldwide. After all a false marketed smartly becomes a truth! Even a
toilet cleaner advertised well becomes drink of success!
*Thus we see that there were vested interests of all – the loser, the
victor, the lawyer, the judge, the neutral observer of drama – in ensuring
that caste-system and the blame of its foundation in Vedas be continued and
furthered.*
*But Agniveer cannot tolerate it*
There were from time to time voices raised against this stupid caste system.
Those were the great men who did so and Agniveer hails them as role models.
But even they could not go to the root and question the very foundation of
this hoax – *'that Vedas sanction birth-based caste system'*. So their
efforts only led to dissuasion of masses away from their own foundation –
Vedas – and helped the enemy forces even more.
If someone calls your mother an indecent lady, you do not expel your mother.
You instead explore the truth of the allegation, defend your mother if there
is no such evidence and reject her only when there is a conclusive evidence
to contrary.
But those who can reject their mother at the very first hearsay are simply
acting insane. What other adjectives can be used for them is left to
readers. However the crux is that Vedas are mother for entire humanity – the
first source of knowledge and wisdom and direction like mother's milk. *Those
who neglect the mother or abuse her without any logical basis are bound to
perish!*
The humanity is facing troubles today because it neglected the mother. And
we, the natives of this subcontinent, suffer even more ignominy and ironies
and tragedies and problems because we were closest to mother in recent
history and yet chose to neglect her, or even malign her. We truly deserved
greater punishments and we rightly received them!
However there are no surprises that we as foolish Hindus act so insane.
After all we derive our inspiration from fake and bogus stories from dubious
texts that glamorize Sita's exile by Rama and Harishchandra selling his
wife! Even God can help only those who desire to help themselves!
*And that is exactly why legends like Swami Dayanand and their progeny like
Agniveer stand so strongly in defense of Vedas.* Even if all other children
of the mother choose to harm her or neglect her out of intent or
foolishness, that does not grant each of us an automatic divine approval to
also neglect her and act even more foolish. The Law of Karma never spares
anyone.
*Note that the above is not an emotional hyperbole*. Because such views if
understood without depth may lead to blinded fanaticism. Someone may call
Quran or Bible his mother and become defensive, other may consider Somalian
piracy as its mother and become aggressive and so on. This would lead only
to fanaticism.
On contrary, the above is a well-analyzed viewpoint emanating as a result of
a reasoning process. And we are very clear that if Vedas indeed are source
of anything illogical, we shall reject even the Vedas in same manner as one
amputates his own limb if having gangrene.
The articles on the site would give you ample insights into this reasoning
process. With regards to caste-system, we have already covered Vedic
viewpoint in detail in several other articles. Readers are requested to
specially review http://agniveer.com/888/caste-system/
*However one popular issue still remains to be explained to complete the
puzzle.*This is with regards to one particular verse of Vedas
appearing in *Purush
Sukta* that is considered to be *mother of birth-based casteism*. This is
perhaps the *ONLY* alleged reference to casteism in Vedas. All others
allegations are too weak to be taken seriously even by detractors of Vedas.
*But this one, though equally flimsy, surprisingly became a super hit just
like many stupid bollywood movies!*
So it does merit some special attention.
*About Purush Sukta*
Purush Sukta is a hymn of 16 mantras from Vedas that appears in all 4 Vedas
with slight variations. More PhDs have perhaps happened on Purush Sukta than
on any other intellectual aspect of Vedas. *The 11th mantra of the Sukta is
the one that carries the blame of birth-based casteism.*
To explain the mantra and conduct their PhDs, scholars have used a variety
of approaches.
- Some simply translated it literally
- Some used their grammar prowess to justify casteism.
- Others (primarily those inspired by Arya Samaj) use the same prowess to
reject it.
- Many other conclude that Purush Sukta is a later addition to Vedas because
it is found in last Mandala of Rigveda. In fact they claim that the entire
last Mandala of Rigveda is a later addition simply because they suspect so!* So
perhaps ghost of Shah Jahan lives in Red Fort because I suspect so!*
*(Its a different matter that they cannot explain why no version of Vedas
without this 10th Mandala exists or how Purush Sukta is then found in other
Vedas as well, not necessarily at end?)*
(Sometimes we do feel that lack of scientific education has spoiled the
entire world. Most people leading opinions in areas like history,
literature, media etc are those who were more scared of science and
mathematics than ghosts. Be it a Romila Thapar, or Wendy Doniger, or Max
Muller or anyone else you may name. Thus destiny did not give them the
opportunity to master scientific process of thinking and analytical faculty.
Perhaps a serious study of Satyarth Prakash can help them compensate the
terrible loss they have made!
*We are of firm opinion that we need thoroughly scientific and analytical
brains in these fields if we are to save our education system. An aptitude
and reasoning test should be a MUST.)*
*About Casteism in Purush Sukta*
Coming back to the Purush Sukta, there is this Mantra number 11 who is the
culprit.
It literally says:
*Brahmin was his mouth. Kshatriya were created from his arms. Vaishyas came
from thighs and Shudras were born from his feet.*
Thus Shudras are lowly people born from his feet and Brahmins are greatest
ones born from his mouth. *Hence the mantra is alleged to insult Shudras and
glorify Brahmins.* Kshatriyas and Vaishyas are somewhere between.
- As we said earlier, you can find a plethora of literature that critically
analyzes this mantra and provides a wide amount of perspectives. Many
explain in greater detail how this mantra led to modern day caste system
through a chain of events and thought process.
- Others try to prove that the mantra itself is interpolation because no
other mantra in Vedas can be used to justify caste-system. As we observed
earlier, we are always too eager to drive out the mother so as not to offend
any allegation-maker!
- The more sincere defenders of Vedas attempt to provide alternative
meanings of the various words used in the mantra to justify why it does not
talk of birth-based casteism. They showcase evidence from other literature
on the alternative usages of these words and attempt to defend the
allegations.
*To my mind, even this is a fruitless exercise beyond a point. Because Vedas
are much more to do with analysis and introspection and very less to do with
grammar and etymology. After all language was derived from Vedas and not
vice-versa.*
(Swami Dayanand thus laid great emphasis on analytical reasoning. In his
proposed educational curriculum, only first few years of educations, when
intellectual faculty is limited, were dedicated to mugging up the basics.
And rest of it was primarily focused upon developing the analytical and
introspective faculty. Unfortunately, modern Vedic scholars spent years in
only grammar and neglect science and maths completely. Thus their analytical
reasoning is limited and they are unable to derive new insights and
researches from Vedas. Like other Arts subject, research in these fields
primarily implies inconsequential literature survey (Which may soon become
obsolete due to advent of search engine technology and digitization!))
*Analysis of the casteist mantra of Purush Sukta*
Coming back to the main line of discussion, let us now analyze it deeper but
a bit logically.
Let us reproduce the meaning again for readability:
*Brahmin was his mouth. Kshatriya were created from his arms. Vaishyas came
from thighs and Shudras were born from his feet.*
1. How does the mantra imply that Brahmins are superior and Shudras are
inferior? *In fact if the mantra be literally true then Brahmins are the
most disgusting and Shudras much purer.*
Because vomit and sputum come from mouth. After perhaps urine and stool,
they are the most detestable outputs of human body.
If a cherry falls on feet, you can still pick it up and eat it after
washing. In fact most of the grains we eat may have touched ground or feet
in some way or other. But if it gets into someone's mouth and mixes with his
saliva or sputum, you will not eat it for sure even after washing!
2. *How can something be born from feet, thighs, mouth or arms?* Even for a
human being, the organs for reproduction are different. It is thus obvious
that the mantra actually means something else. Foolish people take
allegories literally.
By this logic, if a son is *'Aankhon ka tara'* or *Gem of the Eyes* of his
mother, it would imply that he resides in form of a star within an eye of
his mother! Perhaps we would send to asylum those who take such similes
literally.
3. The same modern 'orthodox' Hindu ideology also believes in rebirth of
soul. In fact the very foundation of Vedic religion and all its offshoots is
belief in rebirth of a soul that is *unborn* and *undying*. So the questions
are:
- *How could 'unborn' soul be born from something?* And if it is true, then
rest of the Vedas and Vedic literature is false.
- What happens after we die? Now it is an established belief that one can
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Topic: Inspiration: Know the True Meaning Of Ganesh & Be Richer
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From: viji <viji123@yahoo.com>
Date: Sep 01 04:14AM -0700
Url: http://groups.google.com/group/unitedhindufront/msg/db2b52901e771dfe
The image of Ganesha and its meaning
September 3, 2008 | KISHORE ASTHANA , TNN
http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2008-09-03/news/27717883_1_ganesha-rat-tusk
An elephant's trunk has the strength to uproot a tree as well as the
finesse to pick up a needle.
Ganesha's trunk symbolises the fact that the wise person has both
immense strength and fine discrimination. Ganesha has large ears. The
wise person hears all. He has four hands. In one hand he holds a
lotus, the symbol of enlightenment. In the other hand h...e holds a
hatchet. That is, the old karma, all your sanskars, the accumulated
good and bad of past deeds get cut when enlightenment comes.
The third hand holds laddus, the round sweet-meats. They are the
rewards of a wise life. Ganesha is never shown eating the laddus. The
wise man never partakes of the rewards of his deeds. He is not
attached to them. The fourth hand is shown blessing the people. The
wise man wishes the best for everyone.
Ganesha has only one tusk; the other is shown broken. There is an
interesting story as to how Ganesh happened to get an elephant's head
and how one tusk got broken. The symbolism of the broken tusk is that
the wise person is beyond duality.
We tend to think that we end when our bodies end in the material
world. We are the first person. All else is different. This duality is
created by the mind which creates the ego to help us survive in this
world. This 'me-other' duality is the screen keeping us from realising
our real Self, which is beyond body and mind. Once we transcend this
duality, we see the entire Universe as a single whole and we become
aware of our true Selves. The single tusk of Ganesha symbolises this
non-duality. Wisdom allows us to see all as one and ourselves an
integral part of the whole.
Ganesha is shown sitting with one foot on the ground and the other
resting on his knee, above the ground. The wise person is of this
earth, yet not entirely of this earth.
Ganesha is shown seated on a rat. The reason for saying that Ganesha
'rides' on the rat is that the rat is among the greediest of all
animals. It will keep nibbling at whatever is available, eating
everything it can. Scientifically, too, the rat's teeth keep growing
and it has to keep chewing on something to keep these within limits.
The rat is a symbol of our senses, which are never satisfied. They
crave new experiences, new tastes. Left uncontrolled, they keep
growing forever. The wise person rides on his senses. He keeps them
under control.
Ganesha is often shown seated in front of a tray of sweets. In these
images the rat is shown sitting in front of Ganesha, perhaps a bit to
one side, looking up at him. The senses of the wise person are under
his control and the rat dare not eat the sweets without the permission
of Ganesha.
Ganesha is the son of Shiva and Parvati, the God governing the
life-force and the earth-mother. This symbolises the spirit and body
of the wise person. Finally, the wise person has the dignity of an
elephant.
When we say "Aum Ganeshaya Namah" before starting anything what we are
saying is that "In what we are about to do, let wisdom be our guide".
In a sense, Ganesha is our most powerful god, and he is usually
remembered before starting any rituals for other deities.
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Topic: Geopolitical notes from India-M D Nalapat-2 September 2011
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From: "Sandhya Jain " <sandhya206@bol.net.in>
Date: Sep 02 07:18AM +0530
Url: http://groups.google.com/group/unitedhindufront/msg/e1612684dcc34f98
http://www.vijayvaani.com/FrmPublicDisplayArticle.aspx?id=1945
Geopolitical notes from India
M D Nalapat
2 September 2011
Some years ago, in the Indian site www.bharat-rakshak.com, this
columnist had written of the NATO militaries as resembling an army of
simians. Such a force - if let loose within a confined space – can
create immense damage, but are unable to clean up the resultant mess.
This is precisely what the world has witnessed in Iraq. Despite more
than a decade of sanctions that directly resulted in nearly a million
extra deaths during that period ( because of shortages created by the
UN-approved measures), the regime of Saddam Hussein was able to
provide food, energy and housing to the people of Iraq, whereas eight
years after "liberation" by key NATO members, the country and its
population are worse off than before the 2003 invasion that led to the
execution of Saddam Hussein. As for Afghanistan, after a decade of the
world's most modern military force fighting against a ragtag band of
insurgents, more than a third of the country is back in the hands of
the Taliban, while a fifth of the rest is on the brink of a similar
fate. As a consequence of its failure to subdue this force, NATO is
desperately clutching at plans for engaging the "moderate Taliban", an
oxymoron if ever one was created.
Serbia has yet to recover from its brief burst of battle with NATO,
and now Libya has joined the lengthening list of countries devastated
by the attentions of NATO. Clearly, the top brass in a military
alliance designed to do battle in Europe against the USSR were
reluctant to close shop. They have therefore redesigned NATO as a
military instrument with multiple uses, especially against "asymmetric
threats", a term which refers to countries that have ramshackle
militaries.
Both Saddam Hussein and Moammar Gaddafy followed the dictates of the
NATO powers in surrendering whatever WMD was in their possession,
unlike Syria and North Korea, two countries that have been left
undisturbed by NATO as a consequence. Clearly, military planners
within the alliance are ready for action only against those rivals
that have had their conventional capabilities degraded to the point at
which they do not represent any significant risk against the alliance.
Had George W Bush and Tony Blair truly believed their own rhetoric
about Saddam Hussein having WMD, they would never have sent their
armies into Iraq the way they did.
As mentioned in these columns, Gaddafy's fate got sealed when he
accepted the advice of his Europe-dazzled sons to disarm and place the
survival of his regime in the hands of NATO. Since 2003, Muammar
Gaddafy dismantled his WMD program, synchronised his intelligence
services with that of NATO and generally accepted each of the
prescriptions handed over to him. Had NATO been an alliance that
respects reciprocity, all this ought to have made NATO turn as blind
an eye to his battle with sections of the population as we have seen
in the case of Bahrain, where the ruling family has been given a free
hand to sort out the situation.
Instead, the situation changed when Nicholas Sarkozy was informed by
French banks that Colonel Gaddafy may withdraw the immense bank
deposits of Libya from them to institutions in China, and when he
learnt that several contracts that French enterprises were expecting
to come to them would vanish because Gaddafy wanted to spend less on
French military and other toys and more on social services. Libya had
to be made an example of, lest other Arab governments think of
shifting their money elsewhere than within the NATO bloc as a
consequence of the loss of $1.3 trillion by the GCC and its people
alone because of the financial fraud perpetrated in 2008 by banks and
other financial entities headquartered within the NATO bloc.
These days, companies based within NATO are finding it difficult to
retain the monopoly position they have enjoyed, sometimes for
generations. In particular, Chinese companies are challenging them in
numerous markets, as are companies based elsewhere in Asia, including
within South Korea and India. As a consequence, they now rely on
military force to retain their privileges. This has been illustrated
with commendable transparency in the case of Iraq and Libya. In the
latter case, even though the fumes of battle have not ceased (and are
unlikely to), oil companies such as ENI and Total are hard at work
figuring out the assets they can seize because of the local victories
of the Sarkozy-appointed "National Transitional Council".
Interestingly, even though the NTC is a creation of Paris, the UN has
accepted it as the legitimate government of Iraq. Indeed, in the 21st
century the UN seems to have regressed into the period between 1919
and 1939, when the League of Nations awarded "mandates" to dominant
countries that permitted them to rule weaker ones. In the past decade,
similar mandates have been proferred in the case of Iraq, Kosovo and
Afghanistan. In the case of Libya, President Sarkozy's takeover of the
Libyan state via the creation of the NTC has been similarly
legitimized by the UN in an astonishing abdication of principle.
However, just as in other locations, facts on the ground may not
follow the script favoured by NATO. In the case of Libya, this
columnist has warned for five months that the NATO intervention would
only result in civil war and in the steady destruction of the
infrastructure that made Libya one of the more prosperous countries in
the region. All this is at risk today, as chaos descends in the form
of armed gangs set loose by NATO across the country. Not that there is
ever any chance of those responsible for such a catastrophe being held
accountable by so-called "international" bodies, most of which are now
firmly in the control of the NATO powers in a way that their own
economies are not.
Over the past decade, tens of thousands of civilian deaths have
resulted from NATO operations, without even a mild protest from the
International Court or the Human Rights Council. Such inaction is
leading to the same loss of respect for the UN system as took place in
the past with the League of Nations, which became seen as being
controlled by a small group for their own purposes.
Whether it is Libya or any other country, each has the right to
develop its societal dynamic in its own way. Unless a country poses a
threat to others, the way Talban-controlled Afghanistan did, it is not
legitimate target for international action. In the case of Libya,
since 2003 Colonel Gaddafy disarmed his military of WMD and fully
cooperated with the US-led War on Terror. His fate has become a lesson
to others who may have been tempted to follow in his path of
conciliation with NATO.
Small wonder that the other regimes in the sights of NATO - Syria and
Iran in particular - are in no hurry to follow the Libyan example.
Rather than seek to finish off a leader who buried the hatchet
publicly and fully the way Gaddafy did, NATO would have been better
advised to show its magnanimity and its willingness to keep agreements
in good faith. That would have acted as an incentive for Syria, Iran
and even North Korea to follow suit, thereby making the globe a safer
place.
Today, all three states - understandably – have zero faith in the bona
fides of the NATO powers, and as a consequence are each going their
own way. Combine this with the economic desolation seen within NATO
(much of which has been caused by the huge spike in military spending
caused by foreign adventures), and overall even the medium-term
prognosis for NATO is dim, despite the smiles of congratulation at the
advance of NATO proxies into Tripoli.
Unlike during the Vietnam war, when the Pentagon extensively sourced
its procurement from Asia, the Bush-Cheney team sought to give US
entities a monopoly over the supply of the items needed, even items as
militarily inconsequential as toothpaste. The result of such an
autarchic policy has been a big increase in spending, with the US
alone spending more than a trillion dollars in its wars with Iraq and
Afghanistan.
Indeed, we have seen this use of the state machinery to block
competition across several sectors. The EU, for example, has banned
Indian pharmaceuticals from its market, despite the low cost and high
quality of medicines produced in India. Just now, the EU has banned
Samsung hi-tech products. A time will come when Asia bans German cars
and French defense equipment in retaliation for the frequent bans on
Asian products on specious grounds.
The US and the EU cannot protect their way out of economic trouble.
They need to give their citizens access to the benefits of a global
market, rather than break every canon that they have been preaching
for decades. As for NATO, it will soon become clear that while it may
be possible to defeat a ramshackle force with the massive use of
airpower, that may not translate into monopoly privileges over Libyan
oil reserves. Should China or India come up with better terms than
Italian or French companies, the people of Libya will ensure that
their government act in a way that protects their interests, rather
than only those of NATO. The use of military power for commercial
advantage ought to have vanished when the 19th century did. Its
reappearance in Iraq and Libya is a worrisome sign that NATO has not
learnt the lessons of history.
The writer is Vice-Chair, Manipal Advanced Research Group, UNESCO
Peace Chair & Professor of Geopolitics, Manipal University, Karnataka
State, India
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