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- In team Manmohan, Kamal Nath richest, Antony poorest [1 Update]
http://groups.google.com/group/unitedhindufront/t/29eb51e51161b87a
- Vedas – foundation of birth-based caste discrimination [1 Update]
http://groups.google.com/group/unitedhindufront/t/894c774f68a9ddc4
- Mr.Shashi Tharoor slams Anna [1 Update]
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Topic: In team Manmohan, Kamal Nath richest, Antony poorest
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From: "Sandhya Jain " <sandhya206@bol.net.in>
Date: Sep 04 08:06PM +0530
Url: http://groups.google.com/group/unitedhindufront/msg/94d06f3ef7ceda3f
Dear friends,
While I do not wish to be nasty about someone with the most legendary
honesty in Indian politics, I do have a very simple question. The most
ordinary middle level middle class persons do save the statutory Rs
one lakh granted as exemption by the Income Tax department. Higher
incomes save more. Frugal people save more.
Now, as Mr Anthony has almost always been an MP or MLA, did he not
have the income level to make an annual saving of minimum Rs. One lakh
per annum? What is the explanation for such a frugal personality
having virtually zero savings at the end of such a long innings? I
cannot understand this at all.
On the other hand, Manmohan Singh's Rs 3.5 crore fixed deposits do make sense.
Overall, I feel that there is a gross underestimation of figures,
beginning with the President, and all the way down the line.
Warm regards
Sandhya
From: Gopal A
Subject: [media_monitor5] In team Manmohan, Kamal Nath richest, Antony poorest
Title: In team Manmohan, Kamal Nath richest, Antony poorest
Author: IANS
Publication: The Pioneer
Date: September 4, 2011.
In Team Manmohan, Kamal Nath richest, Antony poorest
Saturday, 03 September 2011 14:53
IANS | New Delhi
Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and his ministerial team Saturday
declared their assets that places his own wealth at Rs.5.1 crore ($1.3
million), while Urban Development Minister Kamal Nath is richest with
over Rs.250 crore ($55 million). Defence Minister A.K. Antony seems
the poorest with Rs.35 lakh ($77,000).
The declaration, required under the Code of Conduct for
Ministers, also follows Manmohan Singh taking strong exception to
remarks by a senior member of parliament on his personal integrity
during a debate last month.
"I have been directed by the prime minister to apprise you of
the declarations required by a member of the union council of
ministers in accordance with the Code of Conduct for Ministers," said
a letter in June from then cabinet secretary K.M. Chandrasekhar.
Following this letter and two reminders, the ministers were
given an ultimatum and asked to respond at the latest by Aug 31.
Similar declarations were also made last year and, like this year, it
included the details of immediate family members as well.
All the 32 cabinet ministers, seven ministers of state with
independent charge and 37 ministers of state have responded, apart
from the prime minister himself.
As per the latest declarations -- posted in www.pmindia.nic.in
-- Communications and IT Minister Kapil Sibal and Chemicals and
Fertilisers Minister M.K. Azhagiri figure among those with relatively
higher wealth, estimated at Rs.30 crore ($6.5 million) each.
Among the so-called big-four in the council, Finance Minister
Pranab Mukherjee is worth around Rs.3 crore, Home Minister P.
Chidambaram around Rs.25 crore, Antony around Rs.35 lakh, while
External Affairs Minister S.M. Krishna commands a little over Rs. 3
crore.
Among the other heavyweights, Agriculture Minister Sharad Pawar
is worth Rs.12 crore.
As for the prime minister himself, in the three-page
declaration, his personal wealth, which included properties and cash,
has been estimated at Rs.5.1 crore ($1.3 million). He may officially
travel in BMWs, but owns a Maruti 800 of 1996 vintage worth $560.
Speaking on the debate on corruption in the Lok Sabha Aug 25,
the prime minister had said he was hurt by the remarks made by
Bharatiya Janata Party's Murli Manohar Joshi, which attacked his
personal integrity during his long years in public life.
"Dr. Murli Manohar Joshi is not here. Yesterday, he made a
powerful speech and he turned (it) into a personal attack on me as if
I am the fountainhead of corruption and that I have knowingly connived
at corruptions of some of my colleagues," he said.
"I would like to assert before this house that I have a public
life in the service of this country for nearly 41 years. In these 41
years of my public life, 20 years in parliament I have tried to serve
this country to the best of my ability."
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Topic: Vedas – foundation of birth-based caste discrimination
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From: vimmi arora <vimmi.arora@yahoo.co.in>
Date: Sep 04 07:29PM +0530
Url: http://groups.google.com/group/unitedhindufront/msg/509b8cf695dae690
AGREED.
Vedas are supreme and have never ever sanctioned the discrimination
based on birth based casts. It has been proved many times by ARYA
SAMAJ & in this forum too. Birth based casst system is the main
culprit behind all superstitions AND divisions in society.
Hit them- Hit them hard.
OM
VIMMI ARORA
SACHIV
KENDRIYA ARYA YUVTI PARISHAD
--- On Thu, 1/9/11, Agniveer <agniveer@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Agniveer <agniveer@gmail.com>
Subject: {UnitedHinduFront} Vedas – foundation of birth-based caste
discrimination
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Date: Thursday, 1 September, 2011, 1:58 PM
Adapted from http://agniveer.com/5276/vedas-caste-disrcimination/
Vedas are the foundation of birth-based caste discrimination. It is in
Vedas – the oldest scriptures of Hindus – that the seeds of casteism
were laid. And since then exploitation of certain sections of
population became mainstay of Hinduism. The conditions aggravated
further later, but the foundation was in Vedas – the ultimate
authority for all Hindus. And because Vedas are ultimate
unquestionable authority for a Hindu, there was no way for the rot of
caste-system to be eliminated from the society.
The above stated belief system seems to be the predominant opinion
regarding origin of caste system infecting a wide diaspora of
so-called 'intellectual' mindsets.
Win-win for all
Intellectuals from other religions use this as main excuse to hate
Hinduism. So those involved in conversion from Hinduism and justifying
the conversions done by them or their ancestors would find a
convenient justification in blaming it on 'Vedic' birth-based caste
system. Its a winning proposition for them thus.
Casteist self-proclaimed Brahmins and so-called Upper-castes use Vedas
as the tool to defend their 'divine' special rights regardless of
their actual deeds. For them, of course, nothing could be more
lucrative than an order from Vedas to continue giving an MBBS degree
to all future generations of a doctor regardless of whether they
actually could even spell 'medicine'!
Dalit leaders including Ambedkar have used this to explain
discrimination in society and further their own political agenda. Who
would like to destroy the entire vote-bank by destroying the very
foundation of caste-system in totality? So even though Ambedkar
admitted that the only means for him to interpret Vedas were works of
western indologists since his own knowledge was grossly inadequate, he
chose to still ridicule the Vedas even though in other areas like
Aryan Invasion Theory he vehemently criticized the western view!
Even someone like Mohandas Gandhi – on whose name the recent
'Gandhian' movement against corruption led by Anna Hazare made history
-was bugged by this syndrome. Despite his other apparently mature
views, with regards to birth-based caste-system, Mohandas Gandhi held
firm belief that it was divine and essence of Hinduism. So instead to
refusing to accept the very foundation of casteism, he chose to
legitimize it further by giving a special name to certain people –
Harijan. What could be a greater insult to them than giving them a tag
in same manner as Arab looters would put chains over their slaves aka
Non Arab Muslims and call them 'Mawali'? And now they say that
'Mawali' actually has a noble meaning! But blood-caste theory was so
deeply entrenched that calling dark people of Africa as 'raw naked
Kafirs' or 'chandals' or calling for 'purity of race' amounted to
service of humanity!
(refer http://www.trinicenter.com/WorldNews/ghandi4.htmfor some references)
In fact the reason why 'Harijan' seemed to be the right word for
so-called Shudras is that as per foolish neo-Hindu castiest views,
Hari Bhakti was the ONLY spiritual option for Shudras as they were
disallowed access to any Vedic literature! So by calling them
'Harijans' one can serve votebank of bigoted 'upper castes', neutral
intellectuals and even 'lower-castes'. And indeed the trick worked if
we were to assess the popularity of this word with a demeaning intent.
We do not deny Mohandas' contribution to society and nation. We admire
his charisma. But for sure there are thousands of more unbiased
non-dogmatic minds born in this nation who have contributed as much if
not more. So despite all that Mohandas Gandhi is claimed to have done
for the nation, we can no way admire someone who supported apartheid –
the worst of the crimes – so vocally. Our firm belief is that the
over-hype and imposition of Gandhi on India at cost of utter
negligence of so many other role models that this oldest civilization
of world has produced is driven by reasons that are different from an
unbiased analysis of personalities and their concrete contributions.
We need not elaborate on views of his protege Nehru whose 'Discovery
of India' clearly proves his intent and wisdom. But all that is not
the focus of this article. The crux is that even so-called reformer
politicians could not rise over the myth of Vedic caste system for
various selfish and non-intellectual reasons.
(None other Swami Dayanand had the guts to proclaim in clear terms,
with evidences and reason, that no one is born Brahmin. A duffer born
to a so-called Brahmin is worse than a Shudra, and a scholar born in
family of even a so-called Chandal is a Brahmin. So those who call
certain people 'Shudra' on basis of birth are actually duffers and
worse than Shudras themselves.)
We are fully with Annaji on the tirade against corruption but pray
that he is using Gandhism as a political ploy but unequivocally
rejects the casteist and racist views of Mohandas.
Western indologists, of course, found a golden opportunity in the
so-called Vedic caste-system to dissuade Hindus from their
foundations. They knew that most Indian intellectuals simply parrot
what their white-Aakaas (Lords) utter and that is exactly what is
happening even till today. They had to do nothing great when foolish
Hindus were still clinging to termite-hill of casteism as their
foundation despite all the slavery and downfall it had brought to them
over last thousand years and even more. All British had to do was to
propagate the garbage works on Vedas by their paid indologists in
lingua-franca – English – and make it the predominant view on Vedas
worldwide. After all a false marketed smartly becomes a truth! Even a
toilet cleaner advertised well becomes drink of success!
Thus we see that there were vested interests of all – the loser, the
victor, the lawyer, the judge, the neutral observer of drama – in
ensuring that caste-system and the blame of its foundation in Vedas be
continued and furthered.
But Agniveer cannot tolerate it
There were from time to time voices raised against this stupid caste
system. Those were the great men who did so and Agniveer hails them as
role models. But even they could not go to the root and question the
very foundation of this hoax – 'that Vedas sanction birth-based caste
system'. So their efforts only led to dissuasion of masses away from
their own foundation – Vedas – and helped the enemy forces even more.
If someone calls your mother an indecent lady, you do not expel your
mother. You instead explore the truth of the allegation, defend your
mother if there is no such evidence and reject her only when there is
a conclusive evidence to contrary.
But those who can reject their mother at the very first hearsay are
simply acting insane. What other adjectives can be used for them is
left to readers. However the crux is that Vedas are mother for entire
humanity – the first source of knowledge and wisdom and direction like
mother's milk. Those who neglect the mother or abuse her without any
logical basis are bound to perish!
The humanity is facing troubles today because it neglected the mother.
And we, the natives of this subcontinent, suffer even more ignominy
and ironies and tragedies and problems because we were closest to
mother in recent history and yet chose to neglect her, or even malign
her. We truly deserved greater punishments and we rightly received
them!
However there are no surprises that we as foolish Hindus act so
insane. After all we derive our inspiration from fake and bogus
stories from dubious texts that glamorize Sita's exile by Rama and
Harishchandra selling his wife! Even God can help only those who
desire to help themselves!
And that is exactly why legends like Swami Dayanand and their progeny
like Agniveer stand so strongly in defense of Vedas. Even if all other
children of the mother choose to harm her or neglect her out of intent
or foolishness, that does not grant each of us an automatic divine
approval to also neglect her and act even more foolish. The Law of
Karma never spares anyone.
Note that the above is not an emotional hyperbole. Because such views
if understood without depth may lead to blinded fanaticism. Someone
may call Quran or Bible his mother and become defensive, other may
consider Somalian piracy as its mother and become aggressive and so
on. This would lead only to fanaticism.
On contrary, the above is a well-analyzed viewpoint emanating as a
result of a reasoning process. And we are very clear that if Vedas
indeed are source of anything illogical, we shall reject even the
Vedas in same manner as one amputates his own limb if having gangrene.
The articles on the site would give you ample insights into this
reasoning process. With regards to caste-system, we have already
covered Vedic viewpoint in detail in several other articles. Readers
are requested to specially review
http://agniveer.com/888/caste-system/
However one popular issue still remains to be explained to complete
the puzzle.This is with regards to one particular verse of Vedas
appearing in Purush Sukta that is considered to be mother of
birth-based casteism. This is perhaps the ONLY alleged reference to
casteism in Vedas. All others allegations are too weak to be taken
seriously even by detractors of Vedas. But this one, though equally
flimsy, surprisingly became a super hit just like many stupid
bollywood movies!
So it does merit some special attention.
About Purush Sukta
Purush Sukta is a hymn of 16 mantras from Vedas that appears in all 4
Vedas with slight variations. More PhDs have perhaps happened on
Purush Sukta than on any other intellectual aspect of Vedas. The 11th
mantra of the Sukta is the one that carries the blame of birth-based
casteism.
To explain the mantra and conduct their PhDs, scholars have used a
variety of approaches.
- Some simply translated it literally
- Some used their grammar prowess to justify casteism.
- Others (primarily those inspired by Arya Samaj) use the same prowess
to reject it.
- Many other conclude that Purush Sukta is a later addition to Vedas
because it is found in last Mandala of Rigveda. In fact they claim
that the entire last Mandala of Rigveda is a later addition simply
because they suspect so! So perhaps ghost of Shah Jahan lives in Red
Fort because I suspect so!
(Its a different matter that they cannot explain why no version of
Vedas without this 10th Mandala exists or how Purush Sukta is then
found in other Vedas as well, not necessarily at end?)
(Sometimes we do feel that lack of scientific education has spoiled
the entire world. Most people leading opinions in areas like history,
literature, media etc are those who were more scared of science and
mathematics than ghosts. Be it a Romila Thapar, or Wendy Doniger, or
Max Muller or anyone else you may name. Thus destiny did not give them
the opportunity to master scientific process of thinking and
analytical faculty. Perhaps a serious study of Satyarth Prakash can
help them compensate the terrible loss they have made!
We are of firm opinion that we need thoroughly scientific and
analytical brains in these fields if we are to save our education
system. An aptitude and reasoning test should be a MUST.)
About Casteism in Purush Sukta
Coming back to the Purush Sukta, there is this Mantra number 11 who is
the culprit.
It literally says:
Brahmin was his mouth. Kshatriya were created from his arms. Vaishyas
came from thighs and Shudras were born from his feet.
Thus Shudras are lowly people born from his feet and Brahmins are
greatest ones born from his mouth. Hence the mantra is alleged to
insult Shudras and glorify Brahmins. Kshatriyas and Vaishyas are
somewhere between.
- As we said earlier, you can find a plethora of literature that
critically analyzes this mantra and provides a wide amount of
perspectives. Many explain in greater detail how this mantra led to
modern day caste system through a chain of events and thought process.
- Others try to prove that the mantra itself is interpolation because
no other mantra in Vedas can be used to justify caste-system. As we
observed earlier, we are always too eager to drive out the mother so
as not to offend any allegation-maker!
- The more sincere defenders of Vedas attempt to provide alternative
meanings of the various words used in the mantra to justify why it
does not talk of birth-based casteism. They showcase evidence from
other literature on the alternative usages of these words and attempt
to defend the allegations.
To my mind, even this is a fruitless exercise beyond a point. Because
Vedas are much more to do with analysis and introspection and very
less to do with grammar and etymology. After all language was derived
from Vedas and not vice-versa.
(Swami Dayanand thus laid great emphasis on analytical reasoning. In
his proposed educational curriculum, only first few years of
educations, when intellectual faculty is limited, were dedicated to
mugging up the basics. And rest of it was primarily focused upon
developing the analytical and introspective faculty. Unfortunately,
modern Vedic scholars spent years in only grammar and neglect science
and maths completely. Thus their analytical reasoning is limited and
they are unable to derive new insights and researches from Vedas. Like
other Arts subject, research in these fields primarily implies
inconsequential literature survey (Which may soon become obsolete due
to advent of search engine technology and digitization!))
Analysis of the casteist mantra of Purush Sukta
Coming back to the main line of discussion, let us now analyze it
deeper but a bit logically.
Let us reproduce the meaning again for readability:
Brahmin was his mouth. Kshatriya were created from his arms. Vaishyas
came from thighs and Shudras were born from his feet.
1. How does the mantra imply that Brahmins are superior and Shudras
are inferior? In fact if the mantra be literally true then Brahmins
are the most disgusting and Shudras much purer.
Because vomit and sputum come from mouth. After perhaps urine and
stool, they are the most detestable outputs of human body.
If a cherry falls on feet, you can still pick it up and eat it after
washing. In fact most of the grains we eat may have touched ground or
feet in some way or other. But if it gets into someone's mouth and
mixes with his saliva or sputum, you will not eat it for sure even
after washing!
2. How can something be born from feet, thighs, mouth or arms? Even
for a human being, the organs for reproduction are different. It is
thus obvious that the mantra actually means something else. Foolish
people take allegories literally.
By this logic, if a son is 'Aankhon ka tara' or Gem of the Eyes of his
mother, it would imply that he
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Topic: Mr.Shashi Tharoor slams Anna
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From: Anil Bhanot <bhanot.anil@gmail.com>
Date: Sep 03 05:20PM +0100
Url: http://groups.google.com/group/unitedhindufront/msg/230149dd76c406f3
If shashi throor said that he basically does not understand democracy, then
he is just another Rahul Gandhi of dynasty rule with votes where the likes
of even a million Anna Hazare won't get a look in.
Anna Hazare Zindabad for the Satyagrah 2 to gain independence from dynastic
democracy.
Anil Bhanot
> Mr. Shashi Tharoor gives hazar Thokurs to Hazare!
> Speaking at a gathering at Jawaharlal Nehru University (JNU) in Delhi on
Wednesday 31 August 2011 (three days ago), the former union minister, who
invented "Cattle Class" in Air India and had to quit his post because of it,
said:
> "Who can claim to represent the people of India? People who have faced &
won elections? Or someone who never stood for elections, but has a lot of
television cameras around him and a few thousand people in a maidan."
> For the inventor of "Cattle Class" I can surely say that the most popular
personality ever in India is Sri Krishna, more than earlier (Sri Ram) and /
or later (Buddha) of our ancestors.
> Sri Krishna never stood for elections but had a lot of pretty maidens
(whose eyes were TV cameras) around him and a few thousand cattle in a
maidan.
> Can I ask "Mr. Inventor of Cattle Class" that in a democracy (of humans)
isn't it more important to have a few thousand humans than a few thousand
cattle like Sri Krishna? If Sri Krishna is "Cattle Class" then haZare is
"Human Class". In a human democracy humans are superior to cattle.
> And what is wrong with TV cameras? You live in Delhi and can yourself go
to Ramlila Maidan, but everybody from Kashmir to Kanyakumari, and from Kutch
to Kivithoo (in Arunachal in case you didn't know), is interested in what is
happening in Delhi. Sitting more than a thousand miles away how can I see it
without the TV cameras? This needs TV cameras & publicity so that I can also
see it. Call it media hype if you want?
> Did Gandhi baba ever stood for elections? Then how did he become father of
nation?
> True Gandhi baba was a great man, maybe the greatest Indian of the 20th
century. But how did he become father of nation? What made him father of
nation?
> Media hype!
> Who did the media hype? Govt. of Congress party! They put Gandhi baba on a
pedestal and push it as high as possible. Start calling him Mahatma & father
of nation and hype it.So that along with Gandhi baba, Congress Party also
gets elevated because Gandhi baba is of Congress Party.
> Josef Goebbels, Hitler's Propaganda Minister said: "A lie repeated a
hundred times becomes the truth!" He also said: "The bigger the lie, the
quicker it is believed".
> Now it is a truism that son cannot exist before father. Therefore as per
this truism, India as a nation could not have existed before its Father of
nation, Gandhi baba.
> If so, what was Emperor Ashoka doing two thousand years ago? Or his
grandfather Chandragupta Maurya when Alexander came in 326 BC? We have
adopted Ashok Stambh as our national symbol. Ashoka ruled an empire much
bigger than India's current boundary. And what happened at independence?
> Our worthy leaders at the time of independence (ancestors of Congress
party) could not even hold on to what we inherited from Emperor Ashoka –
Ancestor of this nation.
> Gandhi baba came into prominence by starting a newspaper. So did Lokmanya
Tilak. Newspaper is media hype. Today's media hype technology is TV Cameras
and live broadcasts.
> Anna kare toh sala, character dheela hai !"
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