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- Multiculturalism is for the Birds – IV-Radha Rajan-13 August 2011 [1 Update]
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- Hear Sri Acharyaji Speak in Your City! [1 Update]
http://groups.google.com/group/unitedhindufront/t/a7b972707c2724b8
- सांप्रदायिक हिंसाविरोधी विधेयक. [1 Update]
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- सीख सिख --SIKHS ARE NOT HINDUUS -- ?????? ????-HINDUU HATYAAN [1 Update]
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- List of speakers and agenda of Teleconference [1 Update]
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Topic: Multiculturalism is for the Birds – IV-Radha Rajan-13 August 2011
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From: "Sandhya Jain " <sandhya206@bol.net.in>
Date: Aug 13 07:47AM +0530
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Multiculturalism is for the Birds – IV
Radha Rajan
13 August 2011
Diversity is not multiculturalism
The riots with racial overtones engulfing London and other parts of UK
in the first week of August 2011 seem to have been timed fortuitously
to quickly vindicate Anders Breivik's act of terror in Norway on 22
July, allegedly against multiculturalism.
The writer had drawn a parallel to events in India where Sonia
Gandhi's UPA has created a new phenomenon called Hindu terror. Some
very striking points of similarity between Anders Breivik and Hindus
who have been arrested for acts of terror –
- While all of them allegedly belong to some known organization
or political party (Abhinav Bharat, Progress Party), they acted as
individuals with little or no backing from the organizations to which
they belonged
- All of them, according to available reports, were trained and
funded by shadowy figures who have not been identified so far
- All of them were chosen for their commitment to a defined
political ideology related to multiculturalism
- All of them supposedly used ammonium nitrate and fuel oil to
manufacture IEDs
- All of them were amateur terrorists, first time offenders,
almost certain to be arrested
If Christian terrorism sent the signal that Europe and America had
reached the end of their multiculturalism tether and wanted it to end,
inventing the phenomenon of Hindu terror sent the signal that
resistance by Hindu nationalists to multiculturalism would not be
countenanced. The Generic Church, it was clear, wanted
multiculturalism like jihad to end in Europe and America, but wanted
it alive and active in India.
And that is why the plot to launch new-wave Christian terrorism and
Hindu terrorism must have been hatched around the same time, by the
same forces, for exactly opposite reasons.
Multiculturalism is a misnomer for warring monotheisms. When Prime
Minister David Cameron said state multiculturalism had failed in the
UK, and Hillary Clinton, while on a state visit to India last month,
said she was going to Chennai to get a sense of the city's culture,
two of the world's most influential political leaders used the word
culture in entirely different ways.
When David Cameron spoke about state multiculturalism what he actually
meant was government policy to invite people of different races,
different religions and different countries to make the United Kingdom
their home so that Pizza and Paratha, Bharatanatyam and Flamenco could
live together happily ever after. It is not surprising that
multiculturalism failed in the UK and is failing everywhere in the
world.
Elsewhere, the writer had observed that the Hindu nation is formed on
the basis of what unites us, what we have in common, while Abrahamic
religionists fragment their countries into smaller countries and
states on the basis of how they differ from each other.
If all three Abrahamic religions owe allegiance to the same god and
hold the same prophets in reverence, why are Christians and Muslims at
each others' throats in several parts of the world; why are Muslims
and Jews at each others' throats in the Gulf; why did Christians
persecute the Jews over centuries?
Fundamental and irreconcilable differences among them which make them
warring monotheisms are –
- Judaism holds the cults of Jesus and Mohammed to be heretic faiths
- The Jews do not believe that Jesus is either the son of god
or even the promised messiah and are still waiting for God fulfill his
promise to the Jews
- While Muslims revere Jesus as one of the messengers of God,
they do not believe that Jesus is the son of god, while Christians do
not believe God spoke to Mohammed through Angel Gabriel
- Even as the Jews are still waiting for God to send them the
promised Messiah, the Muslims have pronounced Mohammed to be the last
Prophet
- All three Abrahamic siblings share the common belief that the
last and final war before the end of time/end of world will be fought
among themselves to decide who among them is god's chosen people. For
this final confrontation to take place, the world must be rid of all
other (false) gods and all other (illegitimate) religions so that only
their one true god remains to rule the world and only they, the three
Abrahamic siblings remain to fight the last war.
This is not culture; this is the Abrahamic worldview or the world as
the Abrahamic religionists view it. According to this worldview –
- The world is divided broadly as Abrahamic and non-Abrahamic
- The non-Abrahamic world, the territory and people, must be
transformed to become Abrahamic
- This entailed either converting the people to one of the
Abrahamic religions or forcibly taking over the territory and bringing
it under the rule of an Abrahamic king
- The noun Messiah is transliteration of the Hebrew noun
'Mashiach' which derives from the verb 'mashach' which means to
anoint. Mashiach or Messiah literally means the anointed one. In the
Abrahamic worldview, only three categories of people are anointed –
prophets, priests and kings. The prophet was considered as
representing god to the people; the priest represented the people in
all their interactions with god and the king protected the people,
ruled over them and defended the territory (the kingdom or nation)
which belonged to the god of Abraham. The person so anointed, prophet,
priest or king, then became divinely enabled so that he and he alone
was chosen by god and authorized by god to serve god and fulfill god's
purpose
- The purpose of the god of Abraham was to first subjugate and
enslave the people who did not owe allegiance to the god of Abraham
(Abrahamic kings and god's soldiers did that), then take away the
territory of these non-believers (their kingdom and nation) and bring
both people and territory under the control of the god of Abraham
after destroying the (false) gods and their places of worship
- This was god's task and purpose which he entrusted to
prophets, priests and kings
The Abrahamic worldview where the world is divided into two
adversarial, conflicting segments, therefore placed the adherents of
Abrahamic religions in a constant state of war – against non-Abrahamic
nations, peoples and gods and among themselves as countdown and
empowerment for the final showdown which will decide who among them is
the chosen people of the god of Abraham.
This explains why –
- The Jews have always tried to control money and resources
which makes up for their numerical inferiority because one is born a
Jew and is never converted to the Judaic faith
- The prophets – Israelite, Ishmaelite both have such violent histories
- Islam and Christianity must expand into every continent of
the world using violence, and leaving behind a trail of abuse and
total destruction, even as both of them persecute the numerically
inferior Jews across continents and deny the Jews any settled place to
live
- Almost every pre-Islam and pre-Christian faith in all the
continents, entire nations, tribes and kingdoms have been destroyed
forever with no living trace of these once prosperous, thriving and
vibrant religions and civilizations; they are all, people and
continents both, either entirely Muslim or Christian or neatly carved
up between both
- Why the Pope can speak from both corners of the mouth at the
same time; one corner of the mouth says freedom of religion be damned,
multiculturalism be damned, secularism be damned, he does not want
'Asiatic, Muslim Turkey' inside Christian Europe; while the other
corner of the mouth says at the same time that he will plant the cross
in Asia; Muslim Turkey will not be allowed to move into Christian
Europe but the white Church must be permitted by secular India to
enter and expand across the territory of Hindu India, Confucian China
and Buddhist Sri Lanka, Vietnam and Myanmar
Contrast the Abrahamic worldview with Hindu worldview –
- Dharma is supreme, even our gods are subject and subordinate to dharma
- Dharma can be embodied not only in gods but also in humans
and non-humans
- A Hindu acquires his worldview not from understanding time,
space and the cosmos first (western science and philosophy) and then
place the individual within this understanding, but by knowing the
nature of the individual first and proceeding from that to understand
the nature of the rest of the world – time, space, and cosmos
- The journey within the self and from the self to the world is
a Hindu's religion, his spirituality
- God (devas) is the name Hindus give to the extraordinary
power, intelligence which permeates all creation
- Because this power, this intelligence (god) is already
present, already permeates the world, Hindus do not have to be in a
constant state of war with the world to bring any nation or kingdom
under the control of our devas
- There are as many gods as there are humans and as many layers
of understanding the truth that every god, every method to know the
truth, so long as it is subjected to and governed by dharma, is
legitimate and deserving of respect
- Wars were waged by kings to establish dharma and the
victorious king had to be a dharma vijayi and not a lobha (plunder) or
asura vijayi (rape, plunder, murder, mayhem and destruction)
- Within the Hindu nation, Hindus who worshipped Shiva or
Vishnu, Kali or Aiyanar, mountain or river, stick or stone or his
parents, even if he chose not to worship anyone or anything (that
itself indicated simply one level of understanding and he would be
born again and again until the fruits of his karma enabled him to know
the nature of the self; after that words like belief or non-belief
become redundant) could all live together without killing in the name
of their god because everything was god and godly when the worshipper
was ruled by dharma
- When people lived by dharma and were ruled by dharma, there
were no multi-cultures as the Abrahamic world understands the word;
there was only one worldview and all creative expressions proceeding
from this worldview was culture.
Monotheisms cause multiculturalism and multiculturalism breeds
conflict and wages war. Wherever Abrahamic religions exist and their
adherents, the very nature of their god and their responsibility to
fulfill their god's purpose inevitably places them in constant state
of war against the rest of the world.
Within the Hindu nation, Islam and Christianity both are at war
against the Hindus. Hindus have to be forced to give up their dharma
and their worship either by terror, fear, bribes or blandishments
(religious conversion) followed by eventual control of territory
(Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Jammu and Kashmir, North-East,
south Tamil Nadu, the eastern and western coastal regions) until Hindu
India is fragmented into Christian states like East Timor or South
Korea, or Muslim states like Afghanistan, Bangladesh or Pakistan.
The rise of Hindu nationalism once again after 1909, in the second
half of the 1990s decade rests on the understanding –
- All gods are not the same
- All religions do not have the same objective and so do not
lead to the same goal
- Hindus have never conquered territory, enslaved other nations
and cultures in the name of their gods and will therefore resist
efforts by Abrahamic religions within the nation and outside to make
Hindu India another Abrahamic fiefdom
- This means Hindu nationalists will not allow religious
conversion and will not surrender Hindu territory to Islam or
Christianity
- Will not allow Muslims and Christians in India to claim Hindu
territory because their god and their religion has placed this
religious mandate upon them
That is why Hindus are reacting violently to increasing Muslim and
Christian provocations. When Hindus use force against the constantly
warring adherents of Islam and Christianity, they are only protecting
their dharma and defending their native land, their janmabhumi.
If India and the rest of Asia have to be transformed for the last war
or Armageddon, India's Hindus must always be kept in a state of
weakness, they must never be allowed to capture state power.
It is to attain this objective, to break the backbone of Hindu
nationalism again as they did in 1909, that Hindus defending their
nation have been labelled terrorists. If the state in India had
derived from Hindus then the state would ban religious conversion, the
Hindu state would resist forcefully any territorial claim by Muslims
and Christians.
But the post 1947 state in India does not derive from the Hindu
nation; it derives from Gandhi's understanding of nation and Nehru's
un-Hindu and anti-Hindu ideology for governance. Gandhi's unnatural
and unreal understanding of the Hindu nation was typical of general
Hindu foolishness that all gods are the same and all religions have
the same goal. Gandhi failed to acknowledge even in 1947 when the
Hindu nation was vivisected that Islam and Christianity both are
mandated by their god and prophets to conquer Hindu territory.
It is this stubborn foolishness which made Gandhi think that Hindus
and Muslims, Hindus and Christians in India are brothers because they
have the same ancestors. Gandhi should have read the Bible and the
Koran with political sense to grasp the political objectives of both
books of revelation. Both books declare, a brother is he who worships
the same god; if your blood brother worships another god, he is an
infidel; convert him or kill him.
Gandhi had no such political sense and Nehru was an irreligious man;
and that is why the Hindu nation, governed by the Gandhi-Nehru INC, is
destined to be enslaved by Gandhian sense of the nation –
- If Hindus believe India should be peopled only by Hindus,
they are living in a fool's paradise. Hindus, Muslims, Parsis, and
Christians who have made India their home are fellow countrymen; they
will have to live in unity if only for their own infests. In no part
of the world are one nationality and one religion synonymous terms,
nor has this ever been the case in India. (Hind Swaraj, Chapter X, The
Condition of India (cont.): The Hindus and the Mahomedans, pp 52-53)
Savarkar on the other hand suffered from no such delusions –
- As it is, there are two antagonistic nations living side by
side in India, several infantile politicians commit the serious
mistake in supposing that India is already welded into a harmonious
nation, or that it could be welded thus for the mere wish to do so.
Our well-meaning but unthinking friends take their dreams for
realities… The solid fact is that the so-called communal questions are
but a legacy handed down to us by centuries of a cultural, religious
and national antagonism between the Hindus and the Moslems. When time
is ripe you can solve them but you cannot suppress them by merely
refusing recognition of them. (Savarkar's Presidential address to the
19th session of the Akhil Bharat Hindu Mahasabha at Karnavati
(Ahmedabad) in 1937)
To make sure the Gandhian sense of nation prevails in India and to
make sure that Hindu nationalism never raises its head to threaten the
movement towards the two stage Apocalypse-Armageddon end of world, the
US is making moves, going by this news report, to interfere actively
in India's internal affairs:
- The legislative process in the United States Congress on the
bill tabled by Congressman Frank Wolf and co-sponsored by
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From: "Dharmacentral.com" <dharmapravartaka@gmail.com>
Date: Aug 11 11:21PM -0700
Url: http://groups.google.com/group/unitedhindufront/msg/a64186fa24324b5
National Dharma Teaching Tour
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Please forward this important announcement.
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From: Pankaj <psu_pankaj@yahoo.com>
Date: Aug 11 11:07AM -0700
Url: http://groups.google.com/group/unitedhindufront/msg/9bed8f73af9edbd6
सांप्रदायिक हिंसाविरोधी विधेयक.
http://enjoythegodgiftoflife.blogspot.com/2011/08/blog-post.html
हा कायदा म्हणजे अल्पसंख्यांकांनी बहुसंख्यांकांना वेठीला धरण्यास दिलेली
घटनात्मक मान्यता असून हा कायदा पारित झाला तर अल्पसंख्यांकांच्या
मर्जीवर बहुसंख्यांकांना जगणे भाग पडेल व हे बहुसंख्यांक म्हणजे केवळ
हिंदू. कारण स्वतंत्र भारतात ज्या काश्मीरच्या खोऱ्यात हिंदूंवर सर्वाधिक
अत्याचार झाले तिथे हा कायदा लागू नाही व पूर्वोत्तर राज्यात जिथे हिंदू
अल्पसंख्य आहेत तिथेही हा हिंदूंनाच लागू, कारण देशभरात हिंदूंची
बहुसंख्या आहे म्हणून.
विरोध आवश्यक.
या विधेयकाचा मसुदा वाचल्यानंतर असे लक्षात येते की हा तुघलकी कायदा
म्हणजे मतपेढीचे राजकारण व अल्पसंख्यांकांच्या तुष्टीकरणाचे व
लांगूलचालनाचे सर्वात घाणेरडे उदाहरण आहे. असे जुलमी कायदे फक्त
पूर्वाश्रमीच्या दक्षिण आफ्रिकेतील प्रिटोरिया राजवटीत निग्रो विरुद्ध
केले गेले होते.
Read More :
http://enjoythegodgiftoflife.blogspot.com/2011/08/blog-post.html
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From: ranjeet singh <live_by_dharma@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Aug 12 12:44PM +0100
Url: http://groups.google.com/group/unitedhindufront/msg/8f393b204afa85ad
Maanya Shri Anil Bhanot jee OBE is right. Sri Har
Mandar Saahab (Hari Mandir Sahib to be precise) was indeed a Mandir or
a Temple and was built as such. This can be easily evidenced
from our Sikh literature, wherein it is clearly avouched that it had
been planned,
built and constructed as such - a Mandir or Temple of Sri Hari - by the fifth
Guru Sri Arjan Dev jee. And this was done as a fulfilment of the command of his
father, Fourth Paadashaahee Sri Guru Raam Daas jee (known earlier as Jethaa) in
which he had directed him that a House or abode of Mahaa Vishnu be built in the
middle of this Sarovar, Sri Ramdaas Sarovar - to quote the exact words: "beech
bane ghar mahaa bissnu ko".
What wonder then if it was so named, and the name which
it still bears: Sri Hari Mandir Sahib?
Sri Guru Raam Daas jee had received an estate, a
Jaageer, from the then Mughal king of Delhi (registered in the name of
his daughter Bibi Bhaanee)
where he had built a big pool, Sar or Sarovar: Sri Raam Daas Sarovar.
Around this grew up a township: Raamdaaspur or Guru-Kaa-Chak, which in the
course of time came to be known as Amritsar, meaning Sara or tank of Amrit.
The Scriptures relate: when the Fourth Guru realised
that it was time for him to leave for his Parlok Dhaam, he summoned his son,
Fifth Guru Sri Arjan Dev jee, and spake to him thus:
सुधा सरोवर मोर सरीर/ तिस की टहिल करहु बडधीर//
(This tank of amrit is (as if) my very body. Look after
it with great care and perseverance.)
जग महिं बड़ी होइ बख्याता/ मुकति भकति संगती को दाता// ५४
(This would bring great name and fame,
and be a bestower of Mukti, Bhakti and
company [of the greats]). (54)
…चहुदिस
ते सोपानि बनावहु/ हरि मंदरू सुंदर उसरावहु// ५५//
(On
its four sides build steps in it; (and in the middle raise) a splendid mandir
[house or temple] of [Bhagavaana Shri] Hari.) (55)
ताल बिखै शोभा हुई ऐसे/ हरि बिमान थित नभ महिं जैसे//
(In the Sarovara waters
such should be its splendour that it should appear as if [Shri] Hari sitting in
His Vimaan [air vehicle] was stationed aloft it in the sky above.)
किधो फरश वैडुरज मनि को/ बीच बनयो घर महां बिषणु को//५६//
(Make a floor of
vaidoorya manis (apis lazulis) of the middle built house of Maha Bishnu.)
(56)
मम आग्या इहु धारहु मन मैं/ नित प्रति रहिअहि रचन जतन मैं/
(Bear [always] this command of mine in your mind; and ever remain steadfast
in the endeavour of building it.)
सुनि करि श्री अरजन कर जोर/ करन करावन मैं तुम जोर//५७//
(Hearing this, Sri Arjan
with both his hands clasped together said, [who am I Sir to do this?] it
is you [indeed Sir[ who is the doer and gets the things done). (57)
-- श्री गुरपरताप सूरज ग्रन्थ - रास २, अंसू २४, पंजवां
भाग, पृष्ठ १७४१
(Sri Gurpratap
Suraj Granth, Ras 2, Ansu 24, Panjabi Bhag, p. 1741) With kind
regards, Dr. Ranjeet Singh.
--- On Thu, 12/5/11, Anil Bhanot <bhanot.anil@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Anil Bhanot <bhanot.anil@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: सीख सिख --SIKHS ARE NOT HINDUUS -- ?????? ????-HINDUU HATYAAN
To: desiyatra@googlegroups.com
Cc: "hm hm" <rashtra1947@aol.com>, "Dr Gupta R" <drrgupta@aol.com>,
mdapte@gmail.com
Date: Thursday, 12 May, 2011, 8:53
Good Dave, the practice you speak of I am sure will come back in time
because what is in Guru Granth Sahib the Sikhs and Hindus are
learning, more so through the Internet. The Colonial Raj's divisive
tactics the militant Sikhs got influenced by will probably wane in
time. I hear even Harmander Sahib was built as Hari Mandir with
idols, but monotheism - NOT THE HINDU/SIKH 'EK-OMAKR' - got the better
of the Sikhs but it will change. Even in the UK here we have two major
streams of Sikhs, one aligning itself to ancient Dharma, though
protecting its sovereignty which I respect, especially its SEVA tenet,
and the other aligning itself to pseudo monotheism and somewhat
anti-Hindu, anti-idol, etc. but I think things are moving in the right
direction.
anil bhanot
London
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 5:06 PM, DAVE MAKKAR <davemakkar@yahoo.com> wrote:
Respected every one:
I belong to a Hindu-Sikh family from Amritsar (Punjab). For more than
a century till 1952 in our families the eldest son used to be made a
Sikh which means the family has donated their child to the community;
he will become a Policeman or Soldier or Religious Preacher or Social
worker or work for the government while practicing Sikhism to the true
sense to fight for the less fortunate in the society and especially
protect Hinduism.
This practice was stopped because in 1950 Master Tara Singh gave a
call for Punjabi Suba and declared that Hindus should be thrown out of
Punjab. Tara Singh forgot that majority of Hindus consider Guru Nanak
Dev Ji incarnation of Lord Vishnu and it was Guru Gobind Singh Ji who
gave image of a warrior to a Sikh; always ready to defend Hinduism &
the less fortunate with 5 K's. Guru Gobind Singh Ji in his vani has
called for Hari which is for Lord Vishnu. Ignorant are misinterpreting
this image as some thing away and different from Hinduism.
More over till 1957 in every Hindu Temple of Punjab Sri Gurugranth
Sahib Ji was kept with honor & respect along with other Hindu
Religious Books. Even now also so many Hindu families from northern
India especially Punjab keep Sri Gurugranth sahib Ji & Holy Hindu
Religious Books in their temples at home. Hindus & Sikhs can not be
separated because of their centuries old blood relations, common
beliefs and their common Gurus.
It is very unfortunate the Hindu & Sikh fundamentalist are planting
mistrust & disrespect for each other in their respective communities.
They are also forgetting in the Ardas from Holy Sri Gurugranth Sahib
Ji we say "Bhagouti Ji Sahai" which is asking for the blessings of Maa
Bhagwati or Goddess Durga.
Then in Holy Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji all the 10 Guru Sahiban in their
bani (preaching & singing) has used the names Gobind (Lord Krishna),
Ram & Hari; all these names are for Lord Vishnu. Then this Ardas ends
with "sarbat da bhalaa" which means God's Grace be on every human
being. No where in Ardas it says it is only for Sikhs, those who
consider Sikhism as their personal property or feels it is not part of
broader philosophy of Hinduism are defying the very principles of
Sikhism on which it was founded by an Hindu; Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji.
My parents migrated to Delhi from Amritsar in 1955. I was born in
Delhi and now 52 yrs old. Since my childhood used to attend Temple &
Gurudwara with my parents and in our house we have Hindu Holy Books as
well as Sri Gurugranth Sahib Ji. The same practice we are keeping for
our children and in our home in New Jersey. This is what my great
grand father did it while living in Punjab, my father practiced it in
Delhi and now the same traditions we are keeping in New Jersey a
northern state in America.
Some time you feel immense pain when fundamentalists in the name of
religion that too in the presence of Sri Guru Granth Sahib abuse
Hindus inside the Gurudwara. In 2009 in India they have installed the
Picture of Shaheed Bhagat Singh with a turban when it is an open
secret he never wore a turban. Where ever I could get an opportunity I
have always appealed to both the community; let's bring back the
century's old tradition of making eldest son a Sikh in Hindu
community.
Hindu Fundamentalist must find ways how to remove the distrust from
the hearts of our Sikh brothers. At the same time Sikh fundamentalist
must stop re-writing the history in defiance to the wishes of Guru
Nanak Dev Ji and 9 other Gurus who preceded Guru Nanak Dev Ji later in
the history. They must understand the concept and teachings of all the
Gurus; especially the 10th Guru Gobind Singh Ji who gave special
identity with Dastar & 5 K's to the Sikhs to work for the humanity
with glory to Vahe Guru the Almighty God which says "Manas ki ek hi
jaat and ek pita ke hum balak" every one of us are of same Race and we
all are children of the same father The Almighty God.
Wahey Guru Mehar Karey
With best regards,
Dave Makkar
RAGHUPATI RAGHAV RAJA RAM PATIT PAAVAN SITA RAM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4rfBF9CJ-0&feature=channel
Lakh Khushiya Padshaiya Je Sat Gur Nadar Karey
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ef7apilf3z0&feature=channel
COMMENTS:
Aaaw, they soooooooooooooooo cute.
God bless them
Its Good to see the Guru Granth Saab and Bhagwan ji's murti's being
worshiped in the same place.... this should happen everywhere.
RamDhoot 7 months ago
--- On Wed, 5/11/11, bhagwat goel <bhagwatgoel2000@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
From: bhagwat goel <bhagwatgoel2000@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: सीख सिख --- SIKHS ARE NOT HINDUUS ---- ??????
???????----HINDUU HATYAAN
To: desiyatra@googlegroups.com, "hm hm" <rashtra1947@aol.com>
Cc: mdapte@gmail.com
Date: Wednesday, May 11, 2011, 9:19 AM
Bhagwaandaas Ji; please dont raise these divisive thoughts.
From: bhagavaandaas tyaagi <bhagavaandaas@yahoo.ca>
To: hm hm <rashtra1947@aol.com>
Cc: mdapte@gmail.com
Sent: Wed, 11 May, 2011 9:10:07 AM
Subject: Fw: सीख सिख --- SIKHS ARE NOT HINDUUS ---- ??????
???????----HINDUU HATYAAN
Subject: सीख सिख --- SIKHS ARE NOT HINDUUS ---- ?????? ???????----HINDUU HATYAAN
my comments are in red color ---- BUT YOU DID NOT ANSWER MY QUESTIONS
---- WHY SIKHS ARE DENYING HINDUU ANCESTRY and say they are not
HINDUUS WHILE THEY ARE HINDUUS ---- GURU DVAARAAS ARE TEACHING SIKHS
TO HATE HINDUUS ---- YOU SHOULD TEACH THE GURU DVAARAAS TO TEACH UNITY
WHILE THEY ARE DOING JUST THE OPPOSITE ----
From: "Rashtra1947@aol.com" <Rashtra1947@aol.com>
To: bhagavaandaas@yahoo.ca; mdapte@gmail.com
Sent: Sun, May 8, 2011 7:58:31 PM
Subject: Re: ----- ?????? ???????----HINDUU HATYAAN
SIKHISM
PLEASE FORWARD AND SEND COMMENTS -----
Dear friends,
I was told by a friend that the SIKHS lost faith in Hindusthan (Hindu
leaders) when India surrendered the territories where they were
settled for centuries, unconditionally to the Muslim enemies in 1947.
They also feel that Bharat will DEFEND Amritsar, Delhi, AND THEIR
DAUGHTERS, as it defended LAHORE and MULTAN. They could be RIGHT if
the Hindu nation is prepared to be led and misled by a Catholic female
of unknown pedigree from Italy, and has NO breath left to reclaim
Lahore and recover North Kashmir. Can't we see that a beautiful young
woman walking beside a weak man (like MK Gandhi) fears every passing
Pathan who stares at her with an evil eye?------ you are very right
------
In an earlier era of brutal force and savagery the armed Sikhs
defended the Hindus but now they expect the Hindus to defend them
because now is not the time of prowess, courage and physical strength
(i.e., the Sikhs) but of "head count" and intelligence where the
Hindus excel. ----- again very right -----
The birth of Pakistan was enabled by the British on the basis of head
count though they themselves had conquered India by guns, force and
violence.
------right ------
The Sikhs say that we shall be part and parcel of the Hindu nation
once again after the MAJORITY COMMUNITY recovers our WEST PUNJAB from
the ENEMY, and incidentally, also NORTH KASHMIR. Some even throw a
challenge before the whole nation, "Either frontier back to Khyber, or
Khalisan!"
------ it would not happen under SONIAA GAANDHII RULE
---- INDIA has to become HINDUU RAASHTR FIRST THEN ONLY FROM KHYBER TO
KANYAA KUMAARII it will be INDIA again , not other wise -----
Do they have a point?
It reminds us of the children DISOWNING their cowardly father who did
not defend and protect their mother and siblings from the bandits but
RAN AWAY.
The challenge for the MAJORITY COMMUNITY (85%) is not to worry about
the Sikhs (1.2 %) but to arm themselves, UNITE themselves, educate
themselves, become strong and martial, in order to challenge the
COMMON enemies and set a good example in COURAGE and kicking out the
Hindu bashing Congress and Dynasty. ---- yes ; you are right ----
I believe the Sikhs will be "in order" again if the Hindus "perform"
in a virile and manly manner against the ITALIANS and the
MOHAMMEDANS.--- yes , you are right -----
kuru
9 May 11.
PS: At this time both Hindu "grandparents" and the Sikhs are
threatened by common enemies and it is time to close ranks but not to
emphasize the differences.---- yes , you are right ---- many times in
the past you said '' hinduus should join hands with sikhs '' BUT I
WILL SAY '' SIKHS MUST JOIN HANDS WITH HINDUUS NOT HINDUUS WILL JOINS
HANDS WITH SIKHS''
Of course, the origin of the Sikhs was the Hindus. Of course, the
Sikhs - THE HINDUU MILITARY defended the Hindus and fought the MUSLIM
rulers of the time who proved to be heartless beasts in human
form.---- [[[ with the same token the origin of CHRIST AND
CHRISTIANS TO START WITH was JEWISM and of MUHAMMAD AND MUSLIMS ALSO
and see yourself --- how they became enemy to each others ; this is
happening with SIKHS and no one can stop that ; PEACE WILL NEVER
COME TO THE WORLD BY CREATING "NEW RELIGION" PEACE WILL COME TO THIS
WORLD WHEN THE HUMAN RACE WILL KNOW THE TRUTH THAT "THEIR ANCESTORS
WERE HINDUUS AND WHEN EVERY ONE WILL GO BACK TO THEIR ORIGINAL
RELIGION "HINDUISM" . THE ONLY WAY TO ATTAIN PEACE .
AND HUMAN - RACE IS MILLIONS AND MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF YEARS OLD
WHILE OTHER RELIGIONS ARE :------- JEWISM , ZOROASTRIANISM, TAOISM ,
CONFUCIANISM , DAOISM , TENRIKYO ABOUT------------ --------- --- 3 .
0 THOUSAND YEARS OLD
JAINISM , BUDDHISM , SHINTOISM ABOUT, ------------ ---------
--------- ---------2 . 5 THOUSAND YEARS OLD
CHRISTIANITY ABOUT------- --------- --------- --------- ---------
--------- --------- ---------2 . 0 THOUSAND YEARS [ exact today is
2011 years old ] OLD
ISLAAM ABOUT------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------
--------- --------- ---------1 . 4 THOUSAND YEARS OLD
in other words islaam is ABOUT------- --------- --------- ---------
--------- --------- ------ 14 hundred years old
SIKHISM ABOUT------------ --------- --------- --------- ---------
--------- --------- --------- ---0 . 3 THOUSAND YEARS OLD
in other words sikhism is ABOUT------- --------- --------- ---------
--------- --------- ---- 3 hundred years old [ from guru govind singh
. GURU GOVIND STARTED SIKH RELIGION NOT GURU NAANK . ALL 9 GURUS WERE
DEAD BEFORE GURU GOVIND STARTED SIKH RELIGION .THEREFORE ALL 9 GURUS
WERE NOT SIKH BUT HINDUUS AND 5 PYAARAAS WHO WERE CHOSEN TO BE SIKH
WERE ALSO HINDUU AND were BORN BEFORE SIKH RELIGION WAS INVENTED BY
GURU GOVIND SINGH . The 9 gurus who were born before Sikh religion did
not have 5Ks as Sikhs show them in their pictures ]
MANY OTHER RELIGIONS ARE 3 OR LESS THAN 3 HUNDRED YEARS OLD AS : ---
bahai , caodai , rastafari ,
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Date: Aug 12 06:18PM -0400
Url: http://groups.google.com/group/unitedhindufront/msg/b578f2e44ecf8149
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12.35 PM EST:
13 year old Child Speaker Arman Koul, USA
Intro by Arun Koul
Poem on his dreams about Kashmir
Guest Speaker#1: Dr. Richard L. Benkin, Chicago-USA, Human
rights activist and Chair and Co-founder of Human Rights Advisory
Council to US Congressman
Intro by Ankit Monga
Topic: How to bring human rights issues of Kashmiri Hindu's to
the forefront. What is the process.
- 7 minutes
Guest Speaker#2: Dr. Subramanium Swamy, New Delhi -India, Former
union Cabinet Minister and President Janta Party
Intro by Rajeev Sumbly
-7 minutes
Guest Speaker#3: Mr. Harish Druv, President of Overseas Friends
of BJP with a message from Hon'ble Narendra Modi, Chief Minister of
Gujarat, for Kashmiri Hindus.
Intro by Ankit Monga
- 7 minutes
12.50 PM EST:
Discussion Topic#1 Reaction to Fai's arrest and what it means
for Kashmiri Hindu community.
Moderator: Subhash Razdan, former President of NFIA, Chairman,
Gandhi Foundation, USA
1. Speaker #4: Dr. Ajay Chrungoo, Chairman Panun Kashmir, Jammu- India
2. Speaker #5: Kartikeya Tanna, Youth Director KHF, Attorney,
Washington D.C.-USA
3. Speaker #6: Dr. Shakti Bhan, Panun Kashmir, New Delhi -India
Moderator will ask questions received by email or twitter or
facebook. Time permitted, phone lines will be open as well.
1.10 PM EST:
Discussion Topic#2 Getting re-connected with Kashmir.
Communicate Kashmiri Hindu stand
Moderator: Arun Koul
1. Speaker#7 Dr. Khema Kaul, Chairman, Kashmira Vahini, Jammu- India
2. Speaker#8 Ashoke Pandit, Filmmaker & Social Activist, Mumbai- India
3. Speaker#9 Dr. Anil Kaul, Trustee KMECT -USA
4. Speaker#10 Dr. Romesh Raina, General Secretary AIKS, New Delhi -India
Moderator will ask questions received by email or twitter or
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Moderator: Deepak Ganju
1. Speaker #11 Prof. Dr. Rattan Lal Shant, Noted Kashmiri
Scholar, poet & Critic, Jammu- India
2. Speaker #12 Dr. B. B. Dhar, Chairman, KECSS, New Delhi- India
3. Speaker #13 Dr. Ashok Raina, Founding member IAKF and
President KOA 1995/96, Maryland-USA
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Topic: When you cross the border of a country -- see what you get
Url: http://groups.google.com/group/unitedhindufront/t/e4a64b2f80340197
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From: Prasad Lele <prasad.lele85@gmail.com>
Date: Aug 13 07:30PM +0530
Url: http://groups.google.com/group/unitedhindufront/msg/fcf075f64c736a14
IF U CROSS THE BORDER ILLEGALLY.............
If you cross the " The North Korean " border illegally!!!
You get ..... 12 years hard labour in an isolated prison .....
If you cross the "Iranian" border illegally!!!
You get ..... detained indefinitely .....
If you cross the "Afghan" border illegally!!!
You get ..... shot .....
If you cross the "Saudi Arabian" border illegally!!!
You get ..... jailed .....
If you cross the "Chinese" border illegally!!!
You get..... kidnapped and may be never heard of - again.....
If you cross the "Venezuelan" border illegally!!!
You get...... branded as a spy and your fate is sealed......
If you cross the "Cuban" border illegally!!!
You get...... thrown into a political prison to rot.....
If you cross the "British" border illegally!!!
You get...... arrested, prosecuted, sent to prison and be deported after
serving your sentence......
Now..... if You were to cross the "INDIAN" border illegally!!!!
You get.....
1. A Ration Card
2. A Passport (even more than one - if you please!!!)
3. A Driving Lenience
4. A Voter Identity Card
5. No. of Credit Cards
6. A Haj Subsidy
7. Job Reservation
8. Special Privileges for Minorities
9. Government Housing on Subsidized Rent
10. Loan to Buy a House
11. Free Education for Children
12. Free Health Care
13. A Lobbyist in New Delhi, with a bunch of media morons and a bigger bunch
of human rights activists promoting your "Cause"
14. The right to talk about secularism, which you would not have heard about
in your own country!!!
15. And of-course..... Voting Rights to elect corrupt politicians who will
promote your community for their selfish interest in securing your votes !!!
Hats off ..... to All The.....
A. Corrupt and Communal Indian Politicians!!!!!
B. Corrupt and Opportunistic Indian Bureaucrats!!!!!
C. The Inefficient and Corrupt Indian Police Force!!!!!
D. The Silly Pseudo-Secularists in India, who promote Traitors staying
here!!!!!
E. The Amazingly Lenient Indian Courts and Legal System!!!
F. The Selfish Indian Citizens, who are not bothered about the dangers to
their own country
G. The Illogically Brainless Human-Rights Activists, who think that
terrorists deserve to be dealt with by archaic laws meant for an era, when
human beings were human bombs.
--
धन्यवाद
प्रसाद लेले
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doing it, What the results might be and Will I be successful. Only when you
think deeply and find satisfactory answers to these questions, go ahead."" -
Acharya Chanakya
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